Inception: Best Movie ...

m4a1mustang · 07-25-2010, 10:07 AM

Can you update the thread title with SPOILER ALERT?

travisjb · 07-25-2010, 11:06 AM

how?

flashburn · 07-25-2010, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Horseface

Inception was OK for a mainstream movie. Phenomenology lite. A bit too much pointless shoot 'em upping/action with 2 dimensional characters. Very transparent emotional manipulation at the end. The art direction was a bit dry.

I'd have preferred to have seen somebody like Cronenberg direct it and re-write the screenplay, but that would have frightened off a large portion of the audience.

While I loved the movie, I have to agree, the idea of Cronenberg doing something with that concept would be absolutely amazing. Well, more so if he did it 20 years ago, but still.

Jesse_Hunter · 07-25-2010, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Horseface

You thought that was crazy? Really? What's the second craziest? Look who's talking?

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travisjb · 07-25-2010, 11:20 PM

Not trying to stir the pot, but... why is it that when a "mainstream" movie is well received by the public, with a clever plot, beautiful sets, good acting, well directed, etc, the Indi types come out of the woodwork to talk about how much better it could have been if blah blah blah... directed by the guy who made "The Fly" in 198something blah blah blah

... so back on the film, why is it that 'Saito' is so old in the deep level dream but 'Cobb' seems relatively young?

... also, if there is going to be a sequel, really hoping this doesn't go the way of the matrix 2/3... there's plenty more that can be done with with the idea of inception and possibility of architecting worlds / scenes barely limited by reality... and possibly introducing characters that have unique capabilities within the dreams, as with Mal and Cobb

HKYStormFront · 07-25-2010, 11:40 PM

honestly, i hope they don't make a sequel. but if they do it wouldn't be unless Nolan was sure of it's success and addition to his IP. he's off to work on Batman 3 now (which i can't wait for, if it tops TDK i'm gonna loose my f'n mind). he really did show us a lot in this movie, enough so that i don't feel like i need more. they explained pretty much every little thing, which was fine with me. and since the main project was done at the end where could they go? i say leave it and do something else. i haven't seen Nolan do a sequel to a movie other than the batman movies so i'm crossing my fingers that this will remain the only one, not be a rushed "we've got to make more money off this IP" thing that hollywood loves to do *cough, matrix, cough*

theDreamer · 07-26-2010, 08:31 PM

Just saw it, still going over it all in my mind.
On the point of Nolan doing another, I feel as he would not want to as this was his movie. From original idea to final print it was his idea, and unless the big wigs as the studio put a lot up for him to do another I do not see it. He has plenty with Batman and probably a random WWII movie soon.

Also, the fact that he saw his kids faces would assume that he was out of the dream world completely.

m4a1mustang · 07-26-2010, 08:36 PM

I thought the film and the whole idea was quite amazing. I think there could easily be a sequel and I agree with Patrick that it could be totally mind-blowing if done right.

HKYStormFront · 07-26-2010, 09:04 PM

i dunno, i just feel like they "pulled out all the stops" on this one. i don't think a sequel could do the first one justice. if you go back and look at Batman Begins now, you can see where things were better in TDK. BB was still an awesome movie but TDK refined BB and added just enough new things and characters to expand on the universe. i don't see how he could come up with something to expand on what they did without doing the same thing all over again. otherwise it wouldn't be an inception right? 10-20 years from now? sure why not, but not in a couple years. give it time and let nolan get his best ideas together down the road after he's had a while to think about it, imo. <3 CN but nobody can churn out a movie like that every couple years from scratch.

m4a1mustang · 07-26-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront

i dunno, i just feel like they "pulled out all the stops" on this one. i don't think a sequel could do the first one justice. if you go back and look at Batman Begins now, you can see where things were better in TDK. BB was still an awesome movie but TDK refined BB and added just enough new things and characters to expand on the universe. i don't see how he could come up with something to expand on what they did without doing the same thing all over again. otherwise it wouldn't be an inception right? 10-20 years from now? sure why not, but not in a couple years. give it time and let nolan get his best ideas together down the road after he's had a while to think about it, imo. <3 CN but nobody can churn out a movie like that every couple years from scratch.

10-20 years... nah... 3-4.. sure. There's plenty of different ways they could go with this.

HKYStormFront · 07-26-2010, 09:11 PM

you know what an awesome sequel would be? take leo out and move his #2 guy up to the lead role. i've got no issues with leo or his character in the movie, quite the opposite, but i feel like that character had a nice ark and should be "done" with the series. arthur was bad@$$ and since cobb's story has come full circle (or has it?), i'd like to see where arthur picks up with "the business" and what he can do with it. that would make for a great sequel to me. maybe bring leo in for advice halfway through or something, i dunno. that'd be cool to me

m4a1mustang · 07-26-2010, 09:19 PM

Something like that might work. I definitely think Leo needs to stay on and not just in some small role. He doesn't need to be lead but he shouldn't be some secondary character either.

Maybe Leo could be evil and they could fight each other...

Horseface · 07-28-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by travisjb

Not trying to stir the pot, but... why is it that when a "mainstream" movie is well received by the public, with a clever plot, beautiful sets, good acting, well directed, etc, the Indi types come out of the woodwork to talk about how much better it could have been if blah blah blah... directed by the guy who made "The Fly" in 198something blah blah blah

... so back on the film, why is it that 'Saito' is so old in the deep level dream but 'Cobb' seems relatively young?

... also, if there is going to be a sequel, really hoping this doesn't go the way of the matrix 2/3... there's plenty more that can be done with with the idea of inception and possibility of architecting worlds / scenes barely limited by reality... and possibly introducing characters that have unique capabilities within the dreams, as with Mal and Cobb

I'm not an 'indy' type. There's plenty of Indy cack out there, too. I cited Cronenberg because he did a movie exploring similar themes a few years ago called Existenz, although a lot of people out there will only know him from the fly remake. He's making more mainstream movies now. Eastern promises is a good example of him retaining his trademark atmosphere while exploring a less offensive, more friendly theme.

Back to Inception.

The directing and editing were sloppy. Too much fluff. Not enough darlings killed. I think that the director should have been kept out of the edit room.

Constant exposition. This is unforgivable. You can 'hide' some exposition if you're clever about it. A little bit is often needed if there are some 'rules' need explaining to the audience often represented by a less clued in character asking lots of questions. But, it was CONSTANT in this film. There was so much that they should have just explained it all in the beginning and not tried to hide it. Do it during the establishing of the world. Not every five minutes and then, after realizing there's so much of it, making a post-modern joke about it.

The acting. It's alright, but seeing past all that exposition makes it difficult to truly judge doesn't it?

The characters are two dimensional. Even the 'troubled' main character didn't have any real genuine depth to make us wonder about him, yet wasn't defined in that cheesy manipulative Hollywood way to make us give a damn about him. Uncanny valley.

The art direction, bland, mass market, in that 'safe' zone that tries to offend the least amount of people. Afraid to stick its neck out. Easy to 'get' if you're a sports fan. Easy to 'understand' for those without much imagination or those easy to alienate with anything other grey blocks and some CG eye candy. If this is how most people dream, it's a little boring isn't it?

I know there's the conceit of 'what is a dream and what is reality' which might be why they played safe with wacky dream visuals, but when we know absolutely that we're in a dream, why not do something interesting visually with it?

If crumbling buildings and domiciles from a character's past lined up neatly over some water counts as imaginative in your world, I'm pretty sorry for you.

And the plot isn't actually that clever, is it?

It (rather brilliantly) walks the line by making people used to more simplistic films believe it was a brain bender. Too much thought would have upset people and made them think it was faggy and arthaus. They wouldn't 'get it' and get all mad and call it pretentious because they weren't gratified at the end with an obvious manipulative arc and resolution. He was dreaming by the way. An obvious clue during the apparent suicide scene is clear as day. Anybody who didn't get it doesn't deserve to wipe my arse.

It's one of those films that makes the audience have to think just enough to think that it's a smart movie. It's designed to make people think they're a bit smarter than they actually are. Big win. It makes people leave the theatre feeling good.

Getting them to engage their brain for 30 seconds after the movie to wonder why one character sent to limbo is so, so old and if the ending was a dream or not.

travisjb · 07-28-2010, 07:49 PM

appreciate your response... your tastes are very - umm - well developed... seems you're offended that it masqueraded as an intellectual film... there have been many people on this board, including myself, and around the world that viewed it as a thought provoking film - perhaps we're all dolts?? lol

please do tell - what is your top 5 list of legit intellectual films?

CBRich · 07-30-2010, 04:30 PM

I hate being stupid.

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travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 188	Not trying to stir the pot, but... why is it that when a "mainstream" movie is well received by the public, with a clever plot, beautiful sets, good acting, well directed, etc, the Indi types come out of the woodwork to talk about how much better it could have been if blah blah blah... directed by the guy who made "The Fly" in 198something blah blah blah ... so back on the film, why is it that 'Saito' is so old in the deep level dream but 'Cobb' seems relatively young? ... also, if there is going to be a sequel, really hoping this doesn't go the way of the matrix 2/3... there's plenty more that can be done with with the idea of inception and possibility of architecting worlds / scenes barely limited by reality... and possibly introducing characters that have unique capabilities within the dreams, as with Mal and Cobb __________________ 2009 370Z #104 For Sale

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HKYStormFront A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Greer, SC Posts: 14,954 Drives: 06 Frontier SE 6spd Rep Power: 52	honestly, i hope they don't make a sequel. but if they do it wouldn't be unless Nolan was sure of it's success and addition to his IP. he's off to work on Batman 3 now (which i can't wait for, if it tops TDK i'm gonna loose my f'n mind). he really did show us a lot in this movie, enough so that i don't feel like i need more. they explained pretty much every little thing, which was fine with me. and since the main project was done at the end where could they go? i say leave it and do something else. i haven't seen Nolan do a sequel to a movie other than the batman movies so i'm crossing my fingers that this will remain the only one, not be a rushed "we've got to make more money off this IP" thing that hollywood loves to do cough, matrix, cough __________________ Patrick // 06 Frontier 6spd Nismosis // Mods: Uprev Tuned @ Z1 Motorsports: 257whp & 292 ft lbs 09 Pontiac G8 GXP // M6 // Sunroof // Tint... For now

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theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	Just saw it, still going over it all in my mind. On the point of Nolan doing another, I feel as he would not want to as this was his movie. From original idea to final print it was his idea, and unless the big wigs as the studio put a lot up for him to do another I do not see it. He has plenty with Batman and probably a random WWII movie soon. Also, the fact that he saw his kids faces would assume that he was out of the dream world completely. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I thought the film and the whole idea was quite amazing. I think there could easily be a sequel and I agree with Patrick that it could be totally mind-blowing if done right. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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HKYStormFront A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Greer, SC Posts: 14,954 Drives: 06 Frontier SE 6spd Rep Power: 52	i dunno, i just feel like they "pulled out all the stops" on this one. i don't think a sequel could do the first one justice. if you go back and look at Batman Begins now, you can see where things were better in TDK. BB was still an awesome movie but TDK refined BB and added just enough new things and characters to expand on the universe. i don't see how he could come up with something to expand on what they did without doing the same thing all over again. otherwise it wouldn't be an inception right? 10-20 years from now? sure why not, but not in a couple years. give it time and let nolan get his best ideas together down the road after he's had a while to think about it, imo. <3 CN but nobody can churn out a movie like that every couple years from scratch. __________________ Patrick // 06 Frontier 6spd Nismosis // Mods: Uprev Tuned @ Z1 Motorsports: 257whp & 292 ft lbs 09 Pontiac G8 GXP // M6 // Sunroof // Tint... For now

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HKYStormFront A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Greer, SC Posts: 14,954 Drives: 06 Frontier SE 6spd Rep Power: 52	you know what an awesome sequel would be? take leo out and move his #2 guy up to the lead role. i've got no issues with leo or his character in the movie, quite the opposite, but i feel like that character had a nice ark and should be "done" with the series. arthur was bad@$$ and since cobb's story has come full circle (or has it?), i'd like to see where arthur picks up with "the business" and what he can do with it. that would make for a great sequel to me. maybe bring leo in for advice halfway through or something, i dunno. that'd be cool to me __________________ Patrick // 06 Frontier 6spd Nismosis // Mods: Uprev Tuned @ Z1 Motorsports: 257whp & 292 ft lbs 09 Pontiac G8 GXP // M6 // Sunroof // Tint... For now

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Something like that might work. I definitely think Leo needs to stay on and not just in some small role. He doesn't need to be lead but he shouldn't be some secondary character either. Maybe Leo could be evil and they could fight each other... __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 188	appreciate your response... your tastes are very - umm - well developed... seems you're offended that it masqueraded as an intellectual film... there have been many people on this board, including myself, and around the world that viewed it as a thought provoking film - perhaps we're all dolts?? lol please do tell - what is your top 5 list of legit intellectual films? __________________ 2009 370Z #104 For Sale

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