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Chuck33079 05-24-2013 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2331548)
Are defi racers the ones that are plug and play or require the extra box to run through?

Plug and play.

dmhenderson 05-24-2013 01:26 PM

brake lines/fluid already upgraded. I'ma ride out the sport brakes (for now). Silicone hoses already done. The undertray is a good idea but I'm out of free money at this point so it may have to wait. I don't think it's a super difficult install is it?

MyKindaGuise 05-24-2013 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2331557)
I should clarify really, when I say brakes I mean pads/lines/fluids, not a full new BBK.
I had the stock parts at 19k when I added boost and they were ok but after upgrading to new pads/lines/rotors/fluid it was a solid upgrade. Not required but something to look at.

Okay cool. We did his lines and fluids about a month ago as well as clutch line.

Im boosting right now at 15k so that is good info brother. Guess that will be my next add on for myself.

dmhenderson 05-24-2013 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Khoi@AAMComp (Post 2331278)
on another note, we are doing an ADDITIONAL 15% off our sale price for Memorial Day weekend sale.

Cody, I know you were interested in an oil pan too. It would be a good time to purchase one this weekend :)

I'll have details shortly

Just PM me when you're ready and I'll pay for the oil pan.

Chuck33079 05-24-2013 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2331563)
The undertray is a good idea but I'm out of free money at this point so it may have to wait. I don't think it's a super difficult install is it?

It takes longer to get the car up in the air than it takes to install the under tray. the only issue I've had with it is the little door to change the oil filter doesn't quite line up with the oil filter once you put on the sandwich adapter for the oil cooler. You have to drop the whole tray. It's not a big deal, just adds another five or ten minutes.

MyKindaGuise 05-24-2013 01:40 PM

You guys seriously suck. Im all over Defi's webpage now.

Chuck33079 05-24-2013 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2331589)
You guys seriously suck. Im all over Defi's webpage now.

They're awesome. Accurate, reasonably priced, and they do the cool sweep at startup like the stock gauges.

MyKindaGuise 05-24-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2331598)
They're awesome. Accurate, reasonably priced, and they do the cool sweep at startup like the stock gauges.


Le problem lol.

Im just wondering if they will match my Blue LC1 gauge.

Chuck33079 05-24-2013 01:56 PM

Never seen the blue ones. The red matches my innovate and oem gauges perfectly.

MyKindaGuise 05-24-2013 01:58 PM

Nice. Well hopefully that carries over to the blue color code.

dmhenderson 05-24-2013 02:42 PM

How much do the gauges I need run? I would assume the are: Oil pressure, boost and AFR.

I get the feeling they are going to be hellishly overpriced.

theDreamer 05-24-2013 02:49 PM

Defi is about 200-300 per gauge.

dmhenderson 05-24-2013 02:52 PM

yeah an extra $1000 for gauges is gay.
*sigh*

MyKindaGuise 05-24-2013 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2331763)
yeah an extra $1000 for gauges is gay.
*sigh*

Yep! Contact RT Tuning. I got my LC1 for $180 and the original price is very close to that of the other two from defi.

I bet you can get all 6 shipped for near $600

theDreamer 05-24-2013 03:11 PM

I agree, hit up some vendors, I am going off Defi's website which is usually full price.
Also remember there are other options besides Defi who offer good quality gauges at a lower price. Many have gone with Defi because it matches the interior almost perfectly.

mults 05-24-2013 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2331598)
They're awesome. Accurate, reasonably priced, and they do the cool sweep at startup like the stock gauges.

I would check out :GlowShift Performance Gauges & Pods. They have 52/60mm gauges that come in 7 or 10-colors (you can choose the color you want). They also do the "sweep" at start-up and are way cheaper than most other gauges. I put some of these on my old bike (Honda ST1300) and for the money, they worked great and held up very well. Just my :twocents:.

I have a video, but don't know how to emded (?). The gauges are VOLTS, OIL PRESSURE, VACUUM and OIL TEMP that I bought.

MyKindaGuise 05-24-2013 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mults (Post 2331824)
I would check out :GlowShift Performance Gauges & Pods. They have 52/60mm gauges that come in 7 or 10-colors (you can choose the color you want). They also do the "sweep" at start-up and are way cheaper than most other gauges. I put some of these on my old bike (Honda ST1300) and for the money, they worked great and held up very well. Just my :twocents:.

I have a video, but don't know how to emded (?). The gauges are VOLTS, OIL PRESSURE, VACUUM and OIL TEMP that I bought.

Wow...like $50 a gauge. That is tempting. I may just give these a shot. Worst case is I am out $100 and will resell.

mults 05-24-2013 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2331831)
Wow...like $50 a gauge. That is tempting. I may just give these a shot. Worst case is I am out $100 and will resell.

I had them on for over two years with NO failures or issues.

mults 05-24-2013 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mults (Post 2331837)
I had them on for over two years with NO failures or issues.

Just remembered this site as well: Prosport Gauges - Boost gauges, Wideband Air Fuel Ratio, 80mm tachometers, 80mm Boost gauges,Oil pressure gauges, peak warning Gauges. Wideband Air Fuel Ratio Gauges, 45mm gauges

They also come in colors and "sweep" when turned on.

Chuck33079 05-24-2013 03:34 PM

Don't buy prosport. They fail regularly. Buy good gauges the first time.

theDreamer 05-24-2013 03:34 PM

ProSport was on the forum, or someone was pushing them at one point.
Will have to dig out any reviews.

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2331857)
Don't buy prosport. They fail regularly. Buy good gauges the first time.

And there you have it.

Chuck33079 05-24-2013 03:36 PM

Any forum will have prosport horror stories. I'd stay away from anything made in china or Taiwan.

MyKindaGuise 05-24-2013 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mults (Post 2331837)
I had them on for over two years with NO failures or issues.

Yeah I see a lot of DSM guys running these. Im probably going to give it a shot. All seem to have good reviews and no horror stories.


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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2331857)
Don't buy prosport. They fail regularly. Buy good gauges the first time.

Yeah I heard way to much crap on them.

Chuck33079 05-24-2013 03:51 PM

$50 per gauge makes me wary. Do they have any kind of warranty?

MyKindaGuise 05-24-2013 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2331884)
$50 per gauge makes me wary. Do they have any kind of warranty?

I think I saw one year. I just hit up a few forums and everyone seems to be around 1-2 years with no problems. Still on the fence. There is something to be said for having "name brand".

Chuck33079 05-24-2013 04:44 PM

Going cheap on engine monitoring doesn't sit right with me. They've got to be cheap for a reason.

MyKindaGuise 05-24-2013 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2331966)
Going cheap on engine monitoring doesn't sit right with me. They've got to be cheap for a reason.

Im not too concerned. I have backups to where I can frequently run double and triple checks with accurate software and hardware to verify they are still accurate. Regardless your point stands for someone like DM. But plenty of forums have proof that these work quite well and are accurate and last. Maybe if we were talking about a 100k+ car I would care more but our engines are not expensive if anything were to happen.lol

I'm going to do a lot more research this weekend on these though. Probably won't go with them just because I like Defis but these other gauges could save a lot of other people a lot of money

Kirkster 05-24-2013 05:52 PM

Ok. I have been running my GTM SC/1.5 for 23,000 miles.

You must get a oil cooler the one from GTM is ok but it is behind their SC traction fluid cooler. I have it and it does the job, most of the time, barely when it gets in the upper 90s. The one nice thing about the GTM oil cooler is that is goes in well with the kit and does not interfere with the Intercooler.

I got a PLX Devices gauge with an AFR and Boost gauge modules. They work.

I will be putting in a new clutch this fall as it is starting to wear out after 20K worth of hooliganism.

I have a tick in my supercharger that has been in happening for 10,000+ miles. It only occurs at around 900rpm. Sometimes it is loud and audible, sometimes it is not there. I talked to Sam about it and he had never heard of it happening. I said fuk it after 2000 miles of trying to chase it down. I really wanted it to go T.U. so I could go to a stage 2, but it won't die so I quit worrying about it. I hammer the SC all the time and am putting out over 9psi with the stock pulley in the summer, and 10.4 psi in the winter.

YMMV
FYYFF

Kirkster 05-24-2013 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2331985)
Im not too concerned. I have backups to where I can frequently run double and triple checks with accurate software and hardware to verify they are still accurate. Regardless your point stands for someone like DM. But plenty of forums have proof that these work quite well and are accurate and last. Maybe if we were talking about a 100k+ car I would care more but our engines are not expensive if anything were to happen.lol

I'm going to do a lot more research this weekend on these though. Probably won't go with them just because I like Defis but these other gauges could save a lot of other people a lot of money

Don't trust the AFR from the OBD2.

MyKindaGuise 05-24-2013 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirkster (Post 2332038)
Don't trust the AFR from the OBD2.

Hence my very expensive a d high end afrwideband gauge

Kirkster 05-24-2013 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2332069)
Hence my very expensive a d high end afrwideband gauge

And my not so expensive Bosch afr wideband sensor which does the same thing...

I like the PLX gauges

GaleForce 05-24-2013 07:28 PM

I like these. They do the trick for now. :bowrofl:

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7c7cdde4.jpg

Actually I went with Defi gauges, and an Innovate Motorsports MTX-L A/F gauge,

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8371/8...22f81caf_c.jpg


I would recommend sticking with a well known company like PLX, Defi, Innovate, Auto Meter, etc.

Kirkster 05-24-2013 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 2332160)
I like these. They do the trick for now. :bowrofl:

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7c7cdde4.jpg

Actually I went with Defi gauges, and an Innovate Motorsports MTX-L A/F gauge,

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8371/8...22f81caf_c.jpg


I would recommend sticking with a well known company like PLX, Defi, Innovate, Auto Meter, etc.

The Boost Gauge is at 11.

If I wanted to tear my whole dash out I would put in the Defi gauges they are the hotness...

MyKindaGuise 05-24-2013 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirkster (Post 2332137)
And my not so expensive Bosch afr wideband sensor which does the same thing...

I like the PLX gauges

I'm not sure what your getting at now Lol?

I guess all of my opinions are just wrong. Why not go best if the best for your AFR gauge? Innovative's rock.


Gale those paper gauges are legit.

Those defis are so clean though.

Kirkster 05-24-2013 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2332177)
I'm not sure what your getting at now Lol?

I guess all of my opinions are just wrong. Why not go best if the best for your AFR gauge? Innovative's rock.


Gale those paper gauges are legit.

Those defis are so clean though.

The AFR sensor is the part that matters the most. Most are Bosch...

Yours is probably a Bosch too...

All that being said you don't have to spend a bundle to get quality bits...

dmhenderson 05-24-2013 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirkster (Post 2332037)
Ok. I have been running my GTM SC/1.5 for 23,000 miles.

You must get a oil cooler the one from GTM is ok but it is behind their SC traction fluid cooler. I have it and it does the job, most of the time, barely when it gets in the upper 90s. The one nice thing about the GTM oil cooler is that is goes in well with the kit and does not interfere with the Intercooler.

I got a PLX Devices gauge with an AFR and Boost gauge modules. They work.

I will be putting in a new clutch this fall as it is starting to wear out after 20K worth of hooliganism.

I have a tick in my supercharger that has been in happening for 10,000+ miles. It only occurs at around 900rpm. Sometimes it is loud and audible, sometimes it is not there. I talked to Sam about it and he had never heard of it happening. I said fuk it after 2000 miles of trying to chase it down. I really wanted it to go T.U. so I could go to a stage 2, but it won't die so I quit worrying about it. I hammer the SC all the time and am putting out over 9psi with the stock pulley in the summer, and 10.4 psi in the winter.

YMMV
FYYFF

So I'm literally buying the same kit and want to shoot for 500-550 whp. Other than the tick, anything else I should know?

Can I run the Z1 oil cooler? GTM assrapes you on part costs. You should have seen the quote they gave me for injectors and a fuel pump (no joke, it was over $2k)


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MyKindaGuise 05-24-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirkster (Post 2332216)
The AFR sensor is the part that matters the most. Most are Bosch...

Yours is probably a Bosch too...

All that being said you don't have to spend a bundle to get quality bits...

I mean it wasn't a fortune. It retails for like $210. I just know innovative is supposed to be the best.

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2332228)
So I'm literally buying the same kit and want to shoot for 500-550 whp. Other than the tick, anything else I should know?

Can I run the Z1 oil cooler? GTM assrapes you on part costs. You should have seen the quote they gave me for injectors and a fuel pump (no joke, it was over $2k)


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Yeah GTM is pricey but you are paying for that R&D I suppose. You can run any oil cooler Moore will be able to make it fit no problem. They did quote you high but Moore is also hooking you the hell up dude. Like that quote for the ID1000's is unheard of.

dmhenderson 05-24-2013 08:47 PM

It's the nickel and dime stuff that's starting to add up


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dmhenderson 05-24-2013 08:58 PM

Also I bought the kit today so there's no turning back now :3


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dmhenderson 05-24-2013 08:59 PM

There are GTM badges that go on the piping. I asked them to do a GTM logo on the IC in the powder and they said "lol no"


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