Tools at Marley Station at a car meet
 

Idiots....

Police respond to video of erratic drivers at Marley Station - CapitalGazette.com: News

The video was pretty badass though... i hate to admit.

Sorry, no. Nothing is 'pretty badass' about doing doing that kind of thing in public. Acts like that is what give enthusiasts a generalized bad name. If this was done at say one of our Columbia or FFX meets you can be sure that our Mazoc meets would be ruined because of it.

I didnt say I would have done this.. I agree with you, but I thought the video was badass, my opinion, im entitled to it, thanks.:tup:

And lets not act like we're ALL saints here in the Mazoc, with all the "spirited" driving people like to do.. just sayin.

Never said you weren't entitled to one, just like I'm entitled to mine.

This is true.:iagree:

True, I agree we do spirited driving but not in crowded places like the mall where chances for fender benders with the general public are higher. When's the last time you saw someone at our meets do burnouts or drift through corners?

Our spirited cruises are nothing like whats shown on that video. Yea we get up fast and do over the speed limit but not like this lol. We tend to reserve our stints on back roads away from other cars.

Im not seeing the difference, you're talking about the public's perception of car enthusiasts.. (i believe those are the words you used). spirited driving could get someone hurt even killed, right?

whats the difference? One's ok, and the others not?

im just saying..

Im not saying what they did was right, and warranted, and I definitely dont condone what they did, but I also wont bash them either, if you read the article, tickets and warnings were issued.

Neither is technically "ok" since both are crossing into the other side of the law. My point is our group tends to not do this sort of thing in crowded areas where chances of catching heat or worse are higher.

Our group is pretty good at self policing as to not draw negative attention to ourselves.

You're absolutely right, no one in our group are saints but we don't bring heat on ourselves like this.

Imagine if someone were to pull off this kind of stunt at the past AAM Open House. I bet Khoi and the rest of the AAM guys wouldn't appreciate it all too much lol.

Enough said..

My point exactly.

Bashing these guys for the stunt they pulled and not looking at ourselves would be a hypocrisy.

While both may be "outside the law," I feel there is a big difference between a controlled, spirited drive on low-traffic roads and wild burnouts in a crowded mall parking lot. The drivers in the video unsettled mall patrons enough to make them contact authorities. I have nothing against that kind of driving...in a more appropriate environment.

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The truth hurts bro..

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The point is, irregardless if its drifting or "spirited driving," wrong is wrong, they're both dangerous, with people around, or by yourself, its dangerous.. and I again, Im not saying I support they did, I just thought the video was cool.

Love you Ron..:tup:

Dee, do you listen to yourself as you are typing or just let it fall out of your head through your fingers? Sometimes I think you are trying to rile some of us up? Well, I hate to say that it worked for me this time! So here goes...

Comparing me driving a little over the speed limit on fairly desolate roads but maintaining complete control over my vehicle and people drifting or doing donuts in a parking lot, that is not specifically isolated from the public for an event, is rediculous! They ARE NOT the same thing! When people are drifting and doing donuts, they are pushing the vehicle past it's performance design objective and most likely close to the driver's ability to control the car. Donuts cause smoke and diminished visibility for the driver. We have all seen the videos of donuts gone wrong in public places.

What I have noticed about our group spirited driving, is that it is reserved for desolate roads with no cross traffic and it slows down near populated areas, also when traffic appears. Most of the drives are spent near the speed limit. I want to continue to have car shows and gatherings. As people are caught doing donuts and drifting in parking lots, then the venues themselves will dry up and not allow gatherings. The venues cannot have the liability of allowing drivers behaving that way. I will be surprised if the Mega Meet is allowed to be back at that same venue next year. If that behavior becomes more noticeable, we'll become the addition to the "No Skateboarding or bike riding on the sidewalk" signs in store parking lots.

Yes, I agree that opinions should be allowed, but insinuating that we, in MAZOC, are hooligans and hipocrites because we are car guys that enjoy our performance cars is rediculous. I just attended the drive on the return from ZDayZ where we (4 MAZOC cars) were passed by several mini-vans and large SUVs because they were willing to drive much more over the speed limit than we were. It was nice to be driving close to the speed limit and not having to "panic brake" when we saw a police vehicle. :icon17:

I am a little upset with myself that I let this thread get to me enough that I wrote this, and you may get irritated with me; but I am betting that it won't be nearly as irritated as I got with you about this topic. Feel free to PM if you want to "chat" about this further.

Not trying to :stirthepot: just responding to your messages about this.

You must of missed it when I called the MAZOC members hooligans and hipocrits (ohh wait, I didn't! hello?!!?). Just wanted to clear that up. I also said, what they did was wrong and I didnt condone it, but I also said we're definitely NOT saints either, and yes believe it or not, I have been on a cruise (how quickly we forget) and I'll agree with you, they are not highly traffic roads, BUT someone could easily go off the road, or someone could pull out of their driveway, and could get hurt, the possibility is always there.. so to say nothing could happen because our cruises are on less traffic roads is naive.. just saying.

And one other thing.. you spell rediculous, ridiculous.

Couldn't disagree with you more Dee. They were/are idiots for doing what they did in that location.

There is no comparing that to any type of limited spirited driving that occasionally happens on our drives.

How many of our drives have you been on? I doubt enough to really make an informed comparison.

Just my honest opinion on the matter.

I've been on one cruise, at the occoquan BBQ.. wrong is wrong, im sticking to that, spirited driving is exactly what it is, wrong.. doing donuts and drifting is wrong.

I had something to add here, but my brain is kaput after that 550 mile drive home yesterday being a hooligan on hellbender and the Dragon all week with my fellow MAZOC crew :icon14:

And another thing: irregardless isn't a word. You need to decide between irrespective and regardless. To accept "irregardless" as a legitimate word would imply the opposite of what you are trying to say, anyway - the prefix "ir" suggests the opposite of the root word it is modifying.
Wrong is wrong, yes, but it is folly to argue that there are not degrees of wrong. Even our legal system acknowledges this. Different degrees of offenses result in different degrees of penalization.

GM, how was the drive? I'm glad you guys made it back safely.

Since MAZOC (apparently in your eyes) has now become a literary editing organization:
"Irregardless" is a word commonly used in place of regardless or irrespective, which has caused controversy since the early twentieth century, though the word appeared in print as early as 1795. [1] Most dictionaries list it as "nonstandard" or "incorrect". Also, the "Ir" and "less" seem to make it a double negative, ultimately meaning "regard". Microsoft word even puts a red squiggly line under irregarless and suggests "regardless".

I am fine not becoming the gammar police for the forum, and apparently you should reconsider that course of action as well.

OK, I am so sorry if I put words in your post! Yes, you did not literally "type" that, but the insinuation was there, and that is what I take umbrage with.

Thanks for the correction on my choice of spelling. (please see my other recent post).

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Sorry buddy, this was too good to resist :rofl2:

Merriam-Webster.. thank you sir, I read that too.

Which would in fact BE a word. Thanks.:icon17:

My last post on this here before I feel the need to take it to the off-topic thread if you want to continue this:

I used Wikipedia for most of my post. Merriam-Webster states:
"ir·re·gard·less adverb \ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs\
Definition of IRREGARDLESS nonstandard : regardless
Usage Discussion of IRREGARDLESS
Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead."

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I stand corrected! :p