Interest is New Intake Design? Looking for a test car!

b1adesofcha0s · 08-21-2012, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

hahaha... dude, all I need is one run to smoke his azz, thats it... forget wasting a tank of gas on a roadtrip you fellas do each week...forget that sh1t.

Why waste your time with this intake when you're gonna leave your car parked to save gas money instead of driving it?

eastwest2300 · 08-21-2012, 02:08 AM

So when the trolls (that be you) come talking trash, talking about my car is this and that, and lets go to the track...blah blah blah... I can be ready, without all the wear and tear on the Z..

Dont worry, my Z wants some, and you'll get your chance, so come get some...

wstar · 08-21-2012, 02:58 AM

Sounds like an interesting project. You might want to google around these forums for the custom intakes that Modshack made a while back, some of the concepts and lessons are similar.

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

2. Absolutely zero chance of hydrolock

If the G3's suck water, you've already got other problems (like, you drove into a lake). The filters are up on top of the crash beam in a pocket, the water has to go above the crash beam line and reverse direction to reach them. I've driven the G3 in some pretty torrential conditions, never an issue. Pic from out my windshield driving around with newly-installed G3's a few years ago:

MightyBobo · 08-21-2012, 09:26 AM

I feel all of this frustration between you two, D/Shahid. When are you guys going to challenge each others to fisticuffs....or admit that the sexual tension between you two is at the breaking point?

b1adesofcha0s · 08-21-2012, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

I feel all of this frustration between you two, D/Shahid. When are you guys going to challenge each others to fisticuffs....or admit that the sexual tension between you two is the breaking point?

At a certain someone's housewarming orgy

Masa · 08-21-2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

At a certain someone's housewarming orgy

b1adesofcha0s · 08-21-2012, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Masa

eastwest2300 · 08-21-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

I feel all of this frustration between you two, D/Shahid. When are you guys going to challenge each others to fisticuffs....or admit that the sexual tension between you two is at the breaking point?

Im gonna toss his azz in the anacostia river!

eastwest2300 · 08-21-2012, 01:42 PM

Meeting up with Swift Tech tonight at 630pm, they wanna look at the car... Im pretty stoked, thanks Jordo!

Jordo! · 08-21-2012, 02:41 PM

Uhhh... anyway.

Sorry for anyone trying to PM me -- box is now open.

Guys, this is different from existing SRI's because the plan is:

1. Elliptical bellmouth velocity stack -- that should make a big difference in airflow.

2. The plan is to COMPLETELY SEAL to the OEM airducts -- that means NO underhood heat will be drawn in.

Every other SRI either fails to fully use the OEM ducting or fails to completely seal out underhood heat, with the exception of the OEM airbox, which doesn't have the flow advantage of a big CNC machined velocity stack.

3. Potential advantage over G3's = ease of installation and cleaning, and hopefully equal (or greater?) power. No way to know without building and testing.

Regarding the hydrolock issue, although I'd say the G3's have the best and safest design of any "filter outside the bumper" CAI, if the filter is outside the bumper, the risk is always there.

If the argument doesn't apply to the G#'s, it absolutely applies to the other CAI's for this car.

In either case, that is less of a merit to me than the ease of installation and cleaning if the filters are kept underhood and temps are kept cool.

Whether or not this works out is again something to be empirically tested. I'm just trying to get the project going. No harm in trying, and you guys know i like to evaluate the value of something based on clear dynos.

If someone doesn't want it or prefers the G3's or whatever, that's fine. This is just potentially another option, and based on fluid dynamics theory and basic tuning principles, it should work very well.

Again, I have no prior relationship with Swift -- just saw what they were building for the FR-S, and thought why not see if they'll make one for us.

Jordo! · 08-21-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

Meeting up with Swift Tech tonight at 630pm, they wanna look at the car... Im pretty stoked, thanks Jordo!

Awesome -- remember -- make sure they understand that the resonance chamber has to seal completely to the OEM bumper ducting.

If it's open in anyway, then it's unlikely to shield heat effectively, and that is a key goal here, as well as improving airflow.

Also, curious to see if they can work out a cone filter to mate to the bellmouth or whether a panel filter will be best (if so, will be similar to an improvement on the old ARC airbox design).

Please keep me posted! Thanks for getting involved!

4r3s · 08-21-2012, 02:49 PM

after reading up on velocity stacks I get where this is going and the idea makes sense to me now. Also not having to take the entire front bumper off to clean air filters would be really nice.

b1adesofcha0s · 08-21-2012, 02:50 PM

Would it be a good idea to get some intake air temp measurements to see if it's actually doing any heat shielding? Might be a good comparison to do vs the G3's.

Cmike2780 · 08-21-2012, 03:00 PM

Interesting idea. Not a lot of space to work with by the airbox(s) though. Maybe something like this, but with the concept you're describing.

Jordo! · 08-21-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 4r3s

after reading up on velocity stacks I get where this is going and the idea makes sense to me now. Also not having to take the entire front bumper off to clean air filters would be really nice.

Bingo! Exactly what I'm thinking

Some info on elliptical velocity stacks here http://www.datsun510.com/bbmail/2008-2/5816.html

So we're talking a potential improvement in airflow of 20%, all else being equal.

That sounds worth building a prototype to me.

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Would it be a good idea to get some intake air temp measurements to see if it's actually doing any heat shielding? Might be a good comparison to do vs the G3's.

I'm all for that. Phase 1 is prototype and compare and contrast with the smooth tubes + K&N on factory airbox -- if it can't out flow that, then who cares?

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Interesting idea. Not a lot of space to work with by the airbox(s) though. Maybe something like this, but with the concept you're describing.

There's exact pics (minus the 90* bend to secondary pipe+filter) of what I am thinking in the link in first post.

Otherwise, similar to that, but sealing completely with OEM ducting rather than open like the ARC box, and of course the big CNC'd velocity stack inside.

Well, that's the idea anyway -- what there is or isn't room for is yet to be determined...

08-21-2012, 02:08 AM	#32 (permalink)
eastwest2300 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: South FL Posts: 90,987 Drives: '16QX70/'21 Supra3.0 Rep Power: 2684550	So when the trolls (that be you) come talking trash, talking about my car is this and that, and lets go to the track...blah blah blah... I can be ready, without all the wear and tear on the Z.. Dont worry, my Z wants some, and you'll get your chance, so come get some... __________________ Infiniti QX70 & Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium

08-21-2012, 09:26 AM	#34 (permalink)
MightyBobo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 8,465 Drives: No cars; only bikes Rep Power: 52	I feel all of this frustration between you two, D/Shahid. When are you guys going to challenge each others to fisticuffs....or admit that the sexual tension between you two is at the breaking point? __________________ I don't own a car anymore. Last edited by MightyBobo; 08-21-2012 at 09:39 AM.

08-21-2012, 01:42 PM	#39 (permalink)
eastwest2300 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: South FL Posts: 90,987 Drives: '16QX70/'21 Supra3.0 Rep Power: 2684550	Meeting up with Swift Tech tonight at 630pm, they wanna look at the car... Im pretty stoked, thanks Jordo! __________________ Infiniti QX70 & Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium

08-21-2012, 02:41 PM	#40 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	Uhhh... anyway. Sorry for anyone trying to PM me -- box is now open. Guys, this is different from existing SRI's because the plan is: 1. Elliptical bellmouth velocity stack -- that should make a big difference in airflow. 2. The plan is to COMPLETELY SEAL to the OEM airducts -- that means NO underhood heat will be drawn in. Every other SRI either fails to fully use the OEM ducting or fails to completely seal out underhood heat, with the exception of the OEM airbox, which doesn't have the flow advantage of a big CNC machined velocity stack. 3. Potential advantage over G3's = ease of installation and cleaning, and hopefully equal (or greater?) power. No way to know without building and testing. Regarding the hydrolock issue, although I'd say the G3's have the best and safest design of any "filter outside the bumper" CAI, if the filter is outside the bumper, the risk is always there. If the argument doesn't apply to the G#'s, it absolutely applies to the other CAI's for this car. In either case, that is less of a merit to me than the ease of installation and cleaning if the filters are kept underhood and temps are kept cool. Whether or not this works out is again something to be empirically tested. I'm just trying to get the project going. No harm in trying, and you guys know i like to evaluate the value of something based on clear dynos. If someone doesn't want it or prefers the G3's or whatever, that's fine. This is just potentially another option, and based on fluid dynamics theory and basic tuning principles, it should work very well. Again, I have no prior relationship with Swift -- just saw what they were building for the FR-S, and thought why not see if they'll make one for us. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 08-21-2012 at 02:48 PM.

08-21-2012, 02:50 PM	#43 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 141	Would it be a good idea to get some intake air temp measurements to see if it's actually doing any heat shielding? Might be a good comparison to do vs the G3's. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

08-21-2012, 02:49 PM	#42 (permalink)
4r3s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: MD Posts: 2,077 Drives: Touring 370z Rep Power: 25	after reading up on velocity stacks I get where this is going and the idea makes sense to me now. Also not having to take the entire front bumper off to clean air filters would be really nice.

08-21-2012, 03:00 PM	#44 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	Interesting idea. Not a lot of space to work with by the airbox(s) though. Maybe something like this, but with the concept you're describing. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

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