Looking on info on Va Laws (mufflers and exhaust)

Cristobal09 · 04-17-2012, 10:38 AM

IMHO, I think you made things worse by going and complaining to the Sargeant. It doesnt help matters that the cop saw you there as well complaining about him. If this was a speeding ticket that was going to affect your insurance/driver's record, I could see why you would be concerned. You have no idea how many times I was pulled over (back when I was 19-20 years old) for not having a front license plate on my Civic, you just deal with it and pay the fine. It SUCKS that the cop gave you a ticket for an exhaust, and I know its BS. But I personally would just pay the ticket and be done with it. I would also just run your FLP so cops dont have another reason to stop you to begin with. Good luck with whatever you do though, and itd be great if you won this, but I feel you're fighting a losing battle.

Sndtgr08 · 04-20-2012, 11:26 AM

Yeay. The meter came today! Now to wipe the kids ipod and use it for video storage.

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ResIpsa · 04-21-2012, 06:37 PM

That is very interesting... You' re thinking; I like that.

Have you done any readings of the decibel level of your aftermarket exhaust and a stock exhaust?

Unfortunately, our stock exhausts are so quiet anything would be louder. That tester could do more harm than good.

Sndtgr08 · 04-21-2012, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ResIpsa

That is very interesting... You' re thinking; I like that.

Have you done any readings of the decibel level of your aftermarket exhaust and a stock exhaust?

Unfortunately, our stock exhausts are so quiet anything would be louder. That tester could do more harm than good.

As I read the law, it does not specify that replacements have to have the same tone or db level. Only that they be comparable in function, and not excessively loud. I believe I meet these requirements under VA law. I hope to have the matter settled as simply put as your 1st post. But in reality, it make come down to "Guilty until proven innocent". I just got the car reinspected 2 days ago (2nd passed inspection with that exhaust), Have my original sales receipt for the exhaust(So I can prove that it is made as a replacement for my car and is not for off-road use), and I will have Real sound level mesurments, Vs police lies. Just in case.

PapoZalsa · 04-21-2012, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ResIpsa

That is very interesting... You' re thinking; I like that.

Have you done any readings of the decibel level of your aftermarket exhaust and a stock exhaust?

Unfortunately, our stock exhausts are so quiet anything would be louder. That tester could do more harm than good.

Reject a null hypothesis....

Sndtgr08 · 04-22-2012, 08:11 AM

4/22/2012 Ambient sound(high 40s) and My voice (65db). Then test with Motor warm. Idle @ about 700rpm 10' to the side(57db). 2' Directly in front of the pipe(67db)

Test at 10 feet, directly to one side of the muffler. I used max save setting to catch the peek level. I tested @ 3000 RPM. This is higher then needed to go 55mph in 4th gear.

Culpeper does not even have a sound ordinance. The last one proposed, over 2 years ago, stated that sound levels had to be above 80 db for over 15 minutes before one was in violation.

Edit: the rain will not let up now. Will test more when I get the chance.

PapoZalsa · 04-22-2012, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sndtgr08

4/22/2012 Ambient sound(high 40s) and My voice (65db). Then test with Motor warm. Idle @ about 700rpm 10' to the side(57db). 2' Directly in front of the pipe(67db)

Culpeper does not even have a sound ordinance. The last one proposed, over 2 years ago, stated that sound levels had to be above 80 db for over 15 minutes before one was in violation.

I will be doing tests under load, at speed, this afternoon.

Excellent research on your part!

Coon-azz · 05-24-2012, 04:22 PM

Yep. Va law, I think, still says anything NOT Factory. I use to get this with my Pontiac from time to time and would ask the officer why he didn't stop me on my way home yesterday on my Motorcycle when I passed him. The 4" pipes on that are way louder than my car. Besides, what if I bought the car this way?

Cop was being a ****. Having been a Prior Norfolk Officer myself, I'd say he was being a ****; yep. VA troopers are generally this way. I had one pass me on the shoulder so fast that all the debri shattered my windshield that flew up. I chased him into the Rest Zone and called him out on it. Would have killed someone on a motorcycle....Mostly rookies looking for a fight. VA is a common wealth, so it's full of Good-ol' boys and some of the dumbest Officers I've ever encountered. Should say something having been one myself.

04-17-2012, 10:38 AM	#1 (permalink)
Cristobal09 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: NOVA Posts: 1,430 Drives: 22 ZL1 & Explorer ST Rep Power: 3372	IMHO, I think you made things worse by going and complaining to the Sargeant. It doesnt help matters that the cop saw you there as well complaining about him. If this was a speeding ticket that was going to affect your insurance/driver's record, I could see why you would be concerned. You have no idea how many times I was pulled over (back when I was 19-20 years old) for not having a front license plate on my Civic, you just deal with it and pay the fine. It SUCKS that the cop gave you a ticket for an exhaust, and I know its BS. But I personally would just pay the ticket and be done with it. I would also just run your FLP so cops dont have another reason to stop you to begin with. Good luck with whatever you do though, and itd be great if you won this, but I feel you're fighting a losing battle. __________________ 2022 Camaro ZL1 2021 Explorer ST

04-21-2012, 06:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
ResIpsa Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 564 Drives: 09 RACING HEN Rep Power: 339	That is very interesting... You' re thinking; I like that. Have you done any readings of the decibel level of your aftermarket exhaust and a stock exhaust? Unfortunately, our stock exhausts are so quiet anything would be louder. That tester could do more harm than good. __________________ The Reed Law Firm; Michael Fasano VA Attorney and Counselor at Law: A Virginia Traffic, Criminal, and Family Lawyer.https://reedlawva.com/ Last edited by ResIpsa; 04-21-2012 at 06:40 PM. Reason: Bad Grammer

04-22-2012, 08:11 AM	#6 (permalink)
Sndtgr08 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 162 Drives: 2009 A/C 3.5 MT Rep Power: 14	4/22/2012 Ambient sound(high 40s) and My voice (65db). Then test with Motor warm. Idle @ about 700rpm 10' to the side(57db). 2' Directly in front of the pipe(67db) Test at 10 feet, directly to one side of the muffler. I used max save setting to catch the peek level. I tested @ 3000 RPM. This is higher then needed to go 55mph in 4th gear. Culpeper does not even have a sound ordinance. The last one proposed, over 2 years ago, stated that sound levels had to be above 80 db for over 15 minutes before one was in violation. Edit: the rain will not let up now. Will test more when I get the chance. Last edited by Sndtgr08; 04-22-2012 at 05:17 PM.

05-24-2012, 04:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
Coon-azz Track Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Fredericksburg,VA Posts: 689 Drives: '12 370z Sport DD Rep Power: 15	Yep. Va law, I think, still says anything NOT Factory. I use to get this with my Pontiac from time to time and would ask the officer why he didn't stop me on my way home yesterday on my Motorcycle when I passed him. The 4" pipes on that are way louder than my car. Besides, what if I bought the car this way? Cop was being a **. Having been a Prior Norfolk Officer myself, I'd say he was being a **; yep. VA troopers are generally this way. I had one pass me on the shoulder so fast that all the debri shattered my windshield that flew up. I chased him into the Rest Zone and called him out on it. Would have killed someone on a motorcycle....Mostly rookies looking for a fight. VA is a common wealth, so it's full of Good-ol' boys and some of the dumbest Officers I've ever encountered. Should say something having been one myself. __________________ I don't care how slow you want to drive; I encourage it. JUST GET THE HELL OUT OF THE PASSING LANE YOU TUCK FARD!!!

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04-20-2012, 11:26 AM	#2 (permalink)
Sndtgr08 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 162 Drives: 2009 A/C 3.5 MT Rep Power: 14	Yeay. The meter came today! Now to wipe the kids ipod and use it for video storage. By sandtiger08 at 2012-04-20