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m4a1mustang · 01-16-2013, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson

Tire Rack reviews seem to agree with this statement. Probably should add that Pirelli makes _the best_ F1 tire out there and most of those cars do run pirelli but that's a whole different animal.

Pirelli makes the only F1 tire, not the best. They are the exclusive supplier, much like Goodyear is for NASCAR.

m4a1mustang · 01-16-2013, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by italy3541

again im not trying to argue with you, i dont have vast tire knowlege. i just offered a different opnion.. with a quick google search i pulled up a comparison, and from what i saw on the graphs the tires were very close so close that on our cars and what we use them for you would never be able to tell the difference.. now maybe if u r useing them on track all day every day and looking for every bit of performance u can get.. then maybe you could tell the difference.. but saying that they are vastly better, and pirelli is not good is just a untrue statement..

forgive me for giving a difference in opnion, wouldnt want anyone on here to run something different than everyone else.. maybe im just different but i like to use what i like and not what people tell me i should use...

and again i didnt say pss were junk.. i said they r good, i just offered my opnion on a tire that i like and have great luck with.. i never said anythign bad about the pss.. and maybe in ur opnion pirelli is bad or not worth it.. and thats fine.. but that is your opnion.. i on the other hand love pirelli and whenever i need new tires that is the brand i go with..

I never said they are not good. I said the Pilot Super Sport is vastly better than the PZero. Keep in mind the PSS is a brand new compound while the PZero is an aging tire that's soon to be replaced.

My experience (I have lots of experience) and available empirical data supports my claim that PSS > PZero. If anything because you can expect nearly double the longevity while maintaining better dry/wet performance.

Is Pirelli bad? Is the PZero bad? No. I never said that. I just said that they aren't the best (right now). The PZero was a great tire when I used it. It's just that the Super Sport is just that much better.

italy3541 · 01-16-2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I never said they are not good. I said the Pilot Super Sport is vastly better than the PZero. Keep in mind the PSS is a brand new compound while the PZero is an aging tire that's soon to be replaced.

My experience (I have lots of experience) and available empirical data supports my claim that PSS > PZero. If anything because you can expect nearly double the longevity while maintaining better dry/wet performance.

Is Pirelli bad? Is the PZero bad? No. I never said that. I just said that they aren't the best (right now). The PZero was a great tire when I used it. It's just that the Super Sport is just that much better.

i agree with what you said.. especially that its a older tire.. and the reason for that is they didnt have a need to update it until now.. i dont agree with the vastly better.. the difference is marginal. and the average z driver would be hard pressed to tell the difference...

also i never said that the pirelli was better, i just said they are what i like and what i use on my car.. im on car #33 so i have tried and had experiance with many many different brands of tires.. i couldnt tell u the different compounds or the specific makeup of the tire. but i can tell you what ones handel well in the rain/snow/dry etc.. and what one wore fast..

tread wear is the worst part of a pirelli.. i have owned many sets of pzero, and they are expensive.. the main reason for their fast treadwear is the super sof make of the tire.. its a compromise with the makeup that they used in that tire.. they gave up tread life for grip/handeling..

italy3541 · 01-16-2013, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Pirelli makes the only F1 tire, not the best. They are the exclusive supplier, much like Goodyear is for NASCAR.

you are mostly right.. they did use a different brand and then switched back to pirelli because the other brand did not have the traction needed. and they didnt hold up.. something about them falling apart.. not a 100% on the specifics i would have to search it..

edit:as for the comment not the best.. yes they are the best for f1 tires or else they would not be useing them..

FPenvy · 01-16-2013, 09:48 AM

look at you two arguing about rubber

my preferred brand is trojan

b1adesofcha0s · 01-16-2013, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

look at you two arguing about rubber

my preferred brand is trojan

FPenvy · 01-16-2013, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

dmhenderson · 01-16-2013, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Pirelli makes the only F1 tire, not the best. They are the exclusive supplier, much like Goodyear is for NASCAR.

I could have sworn Michelin made F1 tires as well but I guess I could be wrong.

italy3541 · 01-16-2013, 09:52 AM

here is a link to the tirerack comparison.. yes the pss rated higher, as did all others. but its not a vast difference.. they are all very close... and as stated the pzero is a aged tire the have been making it for a while.. as for the others are all new.. pirelli will make them better very soon... but not for anything.. a tire as old of a construction as it is, the performance that it give it hung right on top with them all...

from that i chart i dont see a vast difference.. i see a small difference that the average drive would not be able to tell the difference.. besides the tread wear i will be the first to admit pirelli wears fast..

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italy3541 · 01-16-2013, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson

I could have sworn Michelin made F1 tires as well but I guess I could be wrong.

someone else did but they didnt hold up so they switched back to pirelli...

FPenvy · 01-16-2013, 09:57 AM

just go get the PSS's they are an amazing tire. i ran pzeros on a old car i had wasnt impressed.

dmhenderson · 01-16-2013, 09:59 AM

Whenever my yokohamas are done that's probably what I'll go with.

Red__Zed · 01-16-2013, 09:59 AM

I have Pzeros on my car, and can confirm they have far less grip than the PSS, whether on road or grass.

they also are not nearly as consistent at the traction limit as the PSS either.

b1adesofcha0s · 01-16-2013, 10:00 AM

I'll probably be jumping on the PSS bandwagon soon too.

Red__Zed · 01-16-2013, 10:01 AM

I will be running pilot super sport

runflats on my C7

01-16-2013, 09:59 AM	#7227 (permalink)
dmhenderson A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,930 Drives: AWD TT 370z Rep Power: 26	Whenever my yokohamas are done that's probably what I'll go with. m4a1mustang likes this. __________________

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Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	I have Pzeros on my car, and can confirm they have far less grip than the PSS, whether on road or grass. they also are not nearly as consistent at the traction limit as the PSS either. m4a1mustang and b1adesofcha0s like this.

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b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 141	I'll probably be jumping on the PSS bandwagon soon too. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

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Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	I will be running pilot super sport runflats on my C7 m4a1mustang and b1adesofcha0s like this.

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italy3541 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: pa Posts: 1,491 Drives: 2014BMW Z4 35isdrive Rep Power: 17	here is a link to the tirerack comparison.. yes the pss rated higher, as did all others. but its not a vast difference.. they are all very close... and as stated the pzero is a aged tire the have been making it for a while.. as for the others are all new.. pirelli will make them better very soon... but not for anything.. a tire as old of a construction as it is, the performance that it give it hung right on top with them all... from that i chart i dont see a vast difference.. i see a small difference that the average drive would not be able to tell the difference.. besides the tread wear i will be the first to admit pirelli wears fast.. Tire Test Results : Clash of the Titans: Testing Two New Max Performance Summer Heavy Hitters