Because you're throwing money at mods you dont need to go on the track, and saying you cant track BECAUSE OF THE MODS YOU THREW ON THE CAR! lol

You're like the Skyrim dude. "I used to be a racer but I took an arrow to the knee, because I upgraded the **** out of my bow and arrow so much that when I went to shoot it, I shot myself in the damn knee"

Maybe. I still wouldn't do it because then I'd be thinking about the brakes. Keep in mind we were overheating these things on The Dragon last year, and that's only 11 miles on the street.

:rofl2: Forgive me for wanting nice things. :rofl2:

But $$ has been the primary limiter the whole time, what if something were to go wrong. Can't afford to fix it, or have a DD. This is why I haven't gone before. :tiphat: Not because of modding.

But what pads/fluid was that with? It's been well proven that with good pads and fluid, no overheating issues occurr until pushed to the ABSOLUTE extreme.

Just because they are smaller wont necessarily mean that impending doom is guaranteed. It just wouldnt be quite as good as the Akebono kit, likely. He'd be fine.

This is what Bryan Settle told me at the ZCAR show in Mechanicsville, and he's a track fanatic. I already had my raffle brakes on their way, but I can see the logic.

Very true about the pads and fluid. You'll definitely want more than the Hawk HPS b1ades was asking about, though. Those pads are horrible for track use.

You're the classic case of an over-modder, nothing personal. You've thrown tons of money at performance parts and now you're afraid to break it because you're broke. So now you cant do what you want to do because of your own mods that you've done. Without the THOUSANDS in mods you've spent, you could have been on the track multiple times. You just wouldnt look as cool w/o the sweet Volks :-p

Already PM-ed him about that - I recommended Carbotech pads. HPS pads are poopy on the track.

I don't know about Dan's experience, but that wasn't the case for me. The only time I cooked the base brakes was on the 11 hour drive down. 11 hours of highway driving, and then playing with the car on 28 meant brake fade for the base models, no probs for the sports owners.

Yeh I PM'd him about it too. I was more cautious about the brakes than you are, though. But the more we talk about it the more I'm OK with it.

I've got to order new pads, then. I'm running Hawk HPS.

Uh, no... It's not the 'pretty mods' I'm worried about. It's the whole damn car. If I damage something to where its unable/unsafe to drive, then I'm out a car. And I don't have a 2nd to get me to work/places I need to be to continue earning income to fix said car, mods be damned.

Dan overheated everything. :bowrofl:

Yep, you want some Carbotechs or similarly rated pads for track use. I use HPS on the street but am swapping in Ferodo DS2500 just so I don't kill myself at ZDayZ because I KNOW I'd destroy the HPS pads.

Time to go pad shopping :excited:

Do you prefer them with or without wings for extra absorbancy?

I stick to tampons so I can keep wearing my thongs.

BTW, shado, in 2010 I managed with HPS pads on my Z, but wasn't going as fast. So they might be fine for you... might not. If anything get something better on there for the feel alone.

I mean, I can keep the HPS for street use, but I do plan to track, and who knows about Zdayz yet? I may go conservative, I may blast the twisties. The fun is not having to decide until I'm down there, ya kno?

I'm willing to throw noisy man brakes on the car for better performance down where it matters.

I'd reckon ZDayZ would be no problem for the HPS. Track, yes, you def need an upgrade.

I just know for me considering I set some Ferodos on fire last year, I need more than HPS. :bowrofl:

...don't have one yet. I figure for a Hyperdrive I am alright without one ... will add on oil cooler for next time HPDE-1 full weekend deal.

Depending on ambient temp you can overheat the car in a couple laps.

Only one way to find out.

True dat. I can assure you if it does overheat, it will not be due to my skillful and hard driving ... it would just simply be additional proof at how lame the oil cooling issue is in stock form.

Even if I had the oil cooler in hand, no way I would get it done before the Hyperdrive. I am finding that while it is great I am saving alot of labor costs by doing stuff myself, it is very slow going getting stuff done. Free time to **** around with the car comes in way smaller chunks than I would like, plus I am no mechanic so I am extra anal slow about what I do get done. :tup:

I want an oil cooler, but not for track use, I see myself going back to FL eventually, I'd need it for the hot & humid temperatures.:tup:

You told me you didnt want to get on the track because you didnt want to blow your motor from lack of a tune, due to putting on the LTH's and intakes, and that you might blow your motor. Now you're just afraid of your car as a whole?

So dont drive at the limit, problem solved. Nobody is going to push you past there, including your instructor. Drive like a granny for all he cares, all they want you to do is leave the track with knowledge gained.

I'm fine with that, but the purpose of going to a track is to find out where that limit is, and push it. Or else why spend the money?

When is the next time you're going, I'd like to tag-a-long and see what it's like from someone (you) who's done it before, and get some off track knowledge before doing it myself.

I'd go with the proper pads right off the bat, merely because if you go out w/ HPS pads for your first time, and then go out w/ something like Carbotech's your second time, your brake feel will be different. I'd try to remain consistant.

Hyperdrive IS an HPDE for all intents and purposes. You'll want an oil cooler before you do either.

Alright, so if you absolutely cannot get an oil cooler before your hyperdrive, then I recommend staying in higher gears as much as possible. Focus on entering and exiting corners, than blasting out in a low gear. The higher you rev it, the faster it'll heat up (obviously). Most people can stay in 3rd for an entire track...in your case, stick to 4th and 5th.

Dont go overboard, then - stick with the smallest cooler you can find (like Stillen's 19-row). It'll do the job.

You say it as if its the ONLY purpose. Finding the limit and passing it is a scary event - that means you're likely going on an off-track excursion, or in the least, overshooting a proper corner.

You're going to the track to learn a lot things, including:

Proper car control (hand placement, instinctual countersteering, anticipating weight shift under braking/acceleration, etc)
Brake/throttle modulation in concert with steering
Situational awareness (flag stands, cars around you, etc)
Beginner racecraft (apexing, entering/exiting a corners of different types, etc)

...and so on, so forth. Finding "the limit" is something that happens while doing any of the above. All of those take PATIENCE and practice. If you think you are the next Ayrton Senna and try to act like that, it WILL bite you. Ask my last instructor at Summit Point - the last (and only other) 370Z he was with at that track, was a NISMO. The guy totalled it his VERY FIRST SESSION.

Ok so now I'm a little confused. If I get good pads like Carbotechs and swap out the brake fluid, will my base brakes be safe enough for me to track? I'm talking about for now and for the future. If they will be then that's fine and I will save money by not having to get a bbk. If I will need the bbk eventually, then I'll just wait to get that and leave my base brakes alone until I do.

My goal really isn't to push the limits of my car. I want to have fun and improve my driving skills, especially with the high performance driving on a track. Once I feel more comfortable driving on the track then I will try to push the limits of the car. Also, this should get me much more prepared for my next car, which will probably be a step up in performance.

:facepalm: You're trying to take too much from what I say. Would I go 101% my first event/lap out? No. I'm saying that in time, I'd like to be able to do so. First off I'd just sit there and let the instructors give me every bit of knowledge they have, and do several several several laps at moderate speeds making sure I'm doing what I'm supposed to correctly and consistently. I'm there to learn all of those things yes. But the ultimate goal is to be able to push myself and my car to that limit (safely) and have a blast doing it.

Yes, you will be fine. Base brakes + Carbotech Pads + Track Fluid, and you wont die in a fireball. It will probably last you until you decide to send the car off to pasture, and save you a lot of money in the process.

Is it as good as Sport brakes + Carbotech Pads + Fluid? Probably not, but your car will STILL STOP, and you STILL WONT DIE lol. You will still learn everything you want to learn.

Well dying or not dying is still up to the driver. :icon17:

Thanks Bobo, thats what I'll start looking for.:tup:

Well that sounds good to me then, I guess that's the plan. I may be able to get out there this summer then. Only issue would be where to keep my all season tires. Don't want to throw them away since they have a ton of tread left and I could use them for the winters.

You can do what I'm doing with Modshack's DIY oil cooler. It's a lot cheaper than buying an oil cooler kit from Stillen/Z1/GTM etc. You can get a brand new 24 row oil cooler for a total of like $300 vs $500+ for the other kits.

No, you are over-reading what I'M saying. You're acting as if you ABSOLUTELY have to be pushing the limit in order to have a good time and learn something. To which I say, no, you dont. Your brain will be freaking mush your first day, just trying to process everything you're trying to learn.

You're emphatically stating that the only point to go to the track is to push the limit, and thats the whole point. Thats incorrect.

You can do slow laps all you want, you will learn less than you think by doing that. You can still learn somethings, but its different things, than you think.

I guess what I'm getting at is you act like its all cut and dry. "I'll listen to everything my instuctor says and memorize it. Then I'll just drive slow for a little bit, then I'll go fast". No, you wont. EVERYTHING is easier said than done - this is no different.

I'm not trying to deny this. All I'm saying is I don't wanna do an event and learn those things and be happy being a more knowledgeable driver. I want to keep going. I just dunno how to explain it to you where you don't think I'm an idiot.

Yeah, when running summer/winter tires, its easier to have 2 sets of wheels, for sure. See if you can find another set of base wheels that are jacked up? Spray paint them pink, throw summer tires on, call it good.