NOVA/DC/MD - Z's & Coffee Saturday's at 10AM in Fairfax, VA & Columbia, MD

m4a1mustang · 04-13-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Again, setting the bar too high. You want all or nothing. I PLAN to do more than 1 a year, but military and monetary limitations have held me back. Yet I've still gone, and I still have learned a ton.

This is the problem. You need to be realistic and do what you can within your means. If that means starting slow then start slow.

MightyBobo · 04-13-2012, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

And your funding is higher than mine, which is why I haven't been able to yet. One day I'll have a secure income stream, then I can look to doing them frequently.

But you've set your bar so high, that you'll be spending thousands a year on HPDE's.

Answer this, Chris: when do you HONESTLY think you'll have that kind of income, to handle the amount of HPDE's in a single year to satisify your needs?

Now answer this: When do you think you'll be able to fund 1, maybe 2 HPDE's in a single year?

m4a1mustang · 04-13-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

But you've set your bar so high, that you'll be spending thousands a year on HPDE's.

Answer this, Chris: when do you HONESTLY think you'll have that kind of income, to handle the amount of HPDE's in a single year to satisify your needs?

Now answer this: When do you think you'll be able to fund 1, maybe 2 HPDE's in a single year?

b1adesofcha0s · 04-13-2012, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

SS lines will help with pedal feel more than anything else. The lines won't expand under pressure so the pedal will feel firmer.

Like Bobo says, they are not a NEED.

Ok sounds good then. Just saw that a lot of people opted to get them when they upgraded to the akebono kit so I thought it might be good.

XwChriswX · 04-13-2012, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

But you've set your bar so high, that you'll be spending thousands a year on HPDE's.

Answer this, Chris: when do you HONESTLY think you'll have that kind of income, to handle the amount of HPDE's in a single year to satisify your needs?

Now answer this: When do you think you'll be able to fund 1, maybe 2 HPDE's in a single year?

I like to think there's nothing wrong with having a goal you can 'One Day' achieve.

Hell I never thought I'd own a 35k dollar sports car either. But I did it.

So I set the bar high, it's what I do. I don't see anything wrong with it. It's not like I'm just gonna go out there and do my thing and tell the instructor to stfu. I'm gonna be listening intently to what they say and teach and tell me to do. Not to mention asking them hundreds of (hopefully intelligent) questions.

MightyBobo · 04-13-2012, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Ok sounds good then. Just saw that a lot of people opted to get them when they upgraded to the akebono kit so I thought it might be good.

Its just something extra you may as well do when swapping calipers. Really its more for peace of mind. My pedal feel was almost identical before and after my SS lines.

MightyBobo · 04-13-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

I like to think there's nothing wrong with having a goal you can 'One Day' achieve.

Hell I never thought I'd own a 35k dollar sports car either. But I did it.

So I set the bar high, it's what I do. I don't see anything wrong with it. It's not like I'm just gonna go out there and do my thing and tell the instructor to stfu. I'm gonna be listening intently to what they say and teach and tell me to do. Not to mention asking them hundreds of (hopefully intelligent) questions.

You've set the bar to ridiculous levels lol. Not just "high". The whole point of setting a goal is to be S.M.A.R.T. about it.

Specific
Measurable
Attainable
Realistic
Timely

Goal: "I want to be able to do MANY HPDE's in a single year. Until then, I will do none"
Specific: I want to get on the track eventually. How many HPDE's a year? *shrug* (nope)
Measurable: I'll do it when I'm making enough money (nope)
Attainable: Eventually with time (possibly)
Realistic: In your situation right now? Not at all, and not for the near future either
Timely: DEFINITELY not. This will take years for you to even get started.

Now, going over the same process, except with the goal of, "I just want to get on the track, once, to see what its like":
S: Very - once is a very easily achieved
M: Again, once, and you also know what kind of money you'd need to do it.
A: Once you get a job? Very quickly, versus working up the corporate ladder to FINALLY get what you want with the other goal
R: Of course its realistic, anyone can handle 1 HPDE a year really
T: The only thing you're waiting on is a job, not multiple other factors like a huge income

XwChriswX · 04-13-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

You've set the bar to ridiculous levels lol. Not just "high". The whole point of setting a goal is to be S.M.A.R.T. about it.

Specific
Measurable
Attainable
Realistic
Timely

Goal: "I want to be able to do MANY HPDE's in a single year. Until then, I will do none"
Specific: I want to get on the track eventually. How many HPDE's a year? *shrug* (nope)
Measurable: I'll do it when I'm making enough money (nope)
Attainable: Eventually with time (possibly)
Realistic: In your situation right now? Not at all, and not for the near future either
Timely: DEFINITELY not. This will take years for you to even get started.

Now, going over the same process, except with the goal of, "I just want to get on the track, once, to see what its like":
S: Very - once is a very easily achieved
M: Again, once, and you also know what kind of money you'd need to do it.
A: Once you get a job? Very quickly, versus working up the corporate ladder to FINALLY get what you want with the other goal
R: Of course its realistic, anyone can handle 1 HPDE a year really
T: The only thing you're waiting on is a job, not multiple other factors like a huge income

I've been through those same military briefs. Don't have to remind me. lol

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Goal: "I want to be able to do MANY HPDE's in a single year. Until then, I will do none"

Is not my goal. Competing is my goal. Which I don't have the $$ for. One day, hopefully, I will. And then I can go up the ladder.

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"I just want to get on the track, once, to see what its like"

Is also a bit off, I already know I'm going to like it through everything else I've experienced. The problem is when they day's over and everyone else is going home, I want more time on the track to keep practicing. I don't want to stop. And I can't afford several sessions.

So when I can, I will.

m4a1mustang · 04-13-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Ok sounds good then. Just saw that a lot of people opted to get them when they upgraded to the akebono kit so I thought it might be good.

Oh it's good. If you're upgrading to a BBK you might as well do the lines while you're at it (since you'll likely need new lines anyways). But it's not necessary in your case.

XwChriswX · 04-13-2012, 03:26 PM

I should probably just stop discussing it as I'm being labeled an idiot and ignorant to what advice you guys are giving me. Which is not the case.

However I do see that I can't convey my desires to you in a way you guys understand.

Are my goals high? Yes. Is my process the standard? No. So it doesn't work to most people. I'm not asking you to agree with it. But again, I'm just gonna stop talking about it so I don't clutter up Steve's thread with more of my nonsense.

m4a1mustang · 04-13-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

I've been through those same military briefs. Don't have to remind me. lol

Is not my goal. Competing is my goal. Which I don't have the $$ for. One day, hopefully, I will. And then I can go up the ladder.

Is also a bit off, I already know I'm going to like it through everything else I've experienced. The problem is when they day's over and everyone else is going home, I want more time on the track to keep practicing. I don't want to stop. And I can't afford several sessions.

So when I can, I will.

Regardless of whether or not you can afford to do several sessions you'll still be going home at the end of the HPDE where you'll wait at least another couple months for the next one.

MightyBobo · 04-13-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

I've been through those same military briefs. Don't have to remind me. lol

Then you need to pay more attention to them

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Is not my goal. Competing is my goal. Which I don't have the $$ for. One day, hopefully, I will. And then I can go up the ladder.

Which is JUST AS BAD of a goal lol. Its WAY too unrealistic right now.

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Is also a bit off, I already know I'm going to like it through everything else I've experienced. The problem is when they day's over and everyone else is going home, I want more time on the track to keep practicing. I don't want to stop. And I can't afford several sessions.

So when I can, I will.

Chris I'm going to just come out and say it. What Steve and I are alluding to here, is that you've set your bar so freaking high, that you wont do this anytime soon. You may never do it at all unless you change your requirements. You'll stick to your guns and insist that "you'll do it when you're ready", but in reality, Steve and I are thinking the same thing here: "He's saying this so he never has to do it". We will likely be LONG GONE from your life if you ever decide to do this lol - you won't even know us anymore.

You're always going to have more pressing needs for money in your life, and its going to take a long time, if ever, for you to meet your requirements.

MightyBobo · 04-13-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

I should probably just stop discussing it as I'm being labeled an idiot and ignorant to what advice you guys are giving me. Which is not the case.

However I do see that I can't convey my desires to you in a way you guys understand.

Are my goals high? Yes. Is my process the standard? No. So it doesn't work to most people. I'm not asking you to agree with it. But again, I'm just gonna stop talking about it so I don't clutter up Steve's thread with more of my nonsense.

If you think we're labeling you as ignorant and an idiot, then you yourself, are being ignorant. I'm trying to help you realize that you're being WAY too broad in your goals, and as such, you are fitting the bill for everyone I've ever met who "talks the talk" but doesnt do what they need to do, to "walk the walk".

m4a1mustang · 04-13-2012, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Chris I'm going to just come out and say it. What Steve and I are alluding to here, is that you've set your bar so freaking high, that you wont do this anytime soon. You may never do it at all unless you change your requirements. You'll stick to your guns and insist that "you'll do it when you're ready", but in reality, Steve and I are thinking the same thing here: "He's saying this so he never has to do it". We will likely be LONG GONE from your life if you ever decide to do this lol - you won't even know us anymore.

You're always going to have more pressing needs for money in your life, and its going to take a long time, if ever, for you to meet your requirements.

XwChriswX · 04-13-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Chris I'm going to just come out and say it. What Steve and I are alluding to here, is that you've set your bar so freaking high, that you wont do this anytime soon. You may never do it at all unless you change your requirements. You'll stick to your guns and insist that "you'll do it when you're ready", but in reality, Steve and I are thinking the same thing here: "He's saying this so he never has to do it". We will likely be LONG GONE from your life if you ever decide to do this lol - you won't even know us anymore.

You're always going to have more pressing needs for money in your life, and its going to take a long time, if ever, for you to meet your requirements.

Like I said, its making me sound like a dumbass and ignorant. If I had the money I'd already be on the damn track every single weekend. But I don't. So no, not wanting to do it is not the case.

And like I said, maybe my goals are high, but it's something to keep working towards and striving for. Most people never make the goals they set in life, but it doesn't stop them from doing it. And although you may (obviously) not agree with my goal, that doesn't make it any less worthwhile.

I don't want to just ride around the track with an instructor telling me what I did right/wrong. I want to go beyond that. I wanna be able to do more than just what you can in an HDPE. If it's expensive, so be it. If it takes time, so what. It's not your time being wasted.

I love racing. I love my car. What's so wrong with wanting to enjoy both as best I can???

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