NOVA/DC/MD - Z's & Coffee Saturday's at 10AM in Fairfax, VA & Columbia, MD

b1adesofcha0s · 04-13-2012, 01:43 PM

Ok so now I'm a little confused. If I get good pads like Carbotechs and swap out the brake fluid, will my base brakes be safe enough for me to track? I'm talking about for now and for the future. If they will be then that's fine and I will save money by not having to get a bbk. If I will need the bbk eventually, then I'll just wait to get that and leave my base brakes alone until I do.

My goal really isn't to push the limits of my car. I want to have fun and improve my driving skills, especially with the high performance driving on a track. Once I feel more comfortable driving on the track then I will try to push the limits of the car. Also, this should get me much more prepared for my next car, which will probably be a step up in performance.

XwChriswX · 04-13-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

You say it as if its the ONLY purpose. Finding the limit and passing it is a scary event - that means you're likely going on an off-track excursion, or in the least, overshooting a proper corner.

You're going to the track to learn a lot things, including:

Proper car control (hand placement, instinctual countersteering, anticipating weight shift under braking/acceleration, etc)
Brake/throttle modulation in concert with steering
Situational awareness (flag stands, cars around you, etc)
Beginner racecraft (apexing, entering/exiting a corners of different types, etc)

...and so on, so forth. Finding "the limit" is something that happens while doing any of the above. All of those take PATIENCE and practice. If you think you are the next Ayrton Senna and try to act like that, it WILL bite you. Ask my last instructor at Summit Point - the last (and only other) 370Z he was with at that track, was a NISMO. The guy totalled it his VERY FIRST SESSION.

You're trying to take too much from what I say. Would I go 101% my first event/lap out? No. I'm saying that in time, I'd like to be able to do so. First off I'd just sit there and let the instructors give me every bit of knowledge they have, and do several several several laps at moderate speeds making sure I'm doing what I'm supposed to correctly and consistently. I'm there to learn all of those things yes. But the ultimate goal is to be able to push myself and my car to that limit (safely) and have a blast doing it.

MightyBobo · 04-13-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Ok so now I'm a little confused. If I get good pads like Carbotechs and swap out the brake fluid, will my base brakes be safe enough for me to track? I'm talking about for now and for the future. If they will be then that's fine and I will save money by not having to get a bbk. If I will need the bbk eventually, then I'll just wait to get that and leave my base brakes alone until I do.

My goal really isn't to push the limits of my car. I want to have fun and improve my driving skills, especially with the high performance driving on a track. Once I feel more comfortable driving on the track then I will try to push the limits of the car. Also, this should get me much more prepared for my next car, which will probably be a step up in performance.

Yes, you will be fine. Base brakes + Carbotech Pads + Track Fluid, and you wont die in a fireball. It will probably last you until you decide to send the car off to pasture, and save you a lot of money in the process.

Is it as good as Sport brakes + Carbotech Pads + Fluid? Probably not, but your car will STILL STOP, and you STILL WONT DIE lol. You will still learn everything you want to learn.

m4a1mustang · 04-13-2012, 01:49 PM

Well dying or not dying is still up to the driver.

eastwest2300 · 04-13-2012, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Dont go overboard, then - stick with the smallest cooler you can find (like Stillen's 19-row). It'll do the job.

Thanks Bobo, thats what I'll start looking for.

b1adesofcha0s · 04-13-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Yes, you will be fine. Base brakes + Carbotech Pads + Track Fluid, and you wont die in a fireball. It will probably last you until you decide to send the car off to pasture, and save you a lot of money in the process.

Is it as good as Sport brakes + Carbotech Pads + Fluid? Probably not, but your car will STILL STOP, and you STILL WONT DIE lol. You will still learn everything you want to learn.

Well that sounds good to me then, I guess that's the plan. I may be able to get out there this summer then. Only issue would be where to keep my all season tires. Don't want to throw them away since they have a ton of tread left and I could use them for the winters.

b1adesofcha0s · 04-13-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

Thanks Bobo, thats what I'll start looking for.

You can do what I'm doing with Modshack's DIY oil cooler. It's a lot cheaper than buying an oil cooler kit from Stillen/Z1/GTM etc. You can get a brand new 24 row oil cooler for a total of like $300 vs $500+ for the other kits.

MightyBobo · 04-13-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

You're trying to take too much from what I say. Would I go 101% my first event/lap out? No. I'm saying that in time, I'd like to be able to do so. First off I'd just sit there and let the instructors give me every bit of knowledge they have, and do several several several laps at moderate speeds making sure I'm doing what I'm supposed to correctly and consistently. I'm there to learn all of those things yes. But the ultimate goal is to be able to push myself and my car to that limit (safely) and have a blast doing it.

No, you are over-reading what I'M saying. You're acting as if you ABSOLUTELY have to be pushing the limit in order to have a good time and learn something. To which I say, no, you dont. Your brain will be freaking mush your first day, just trying to process everything you're trying to learn.

You're emphatically stating that the only point to go to the track is to push the limit, and thats the whole point. Thats incorrect.

You can do slow laps all you want, you will learn less than you think by doing that. You can still learn somethings, but its different things, than you think.

I guess what I'm getting at is you act like its all cut and dry. "I'll listen to everything my instuctor says and memorize it. Then I'll just drive slow for a little bit, then I'll go fast". No, you wont. EVERYTHING is easier said than done - this is no different.

XwChriswX · 04-13-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

No, you are over-reading what I'M saying. You're acting as if you ABSOLUTELY have to be pushing the limit in order to have a good time and learn something. To which I say, no, you dont. Your brain will be freaking mush your first day, just trying to process everything you're trying to learn.

You're emphatically stating that the only point to go to the track is to push the limit, and thats the whole point. Thats incorrect.

You can do slow laps all you want, you will learn less than you think by doing that. You can still learn somethings, but its different things, than you think.

I guess what I'm getting at is you act like its all cut and dry. "I'll listen to everything my instuctor says and memorize it. Then I'll just drive slow for a little bit, then I'll go fast". No, you wont. EVERYTHING is easier said than done - this is no different.

I'm not trying to deny this. All I'm saying is I don't wanna do an event and learn those things and be happy being a more knowledgeable driver. I want to keep going. I just dunno how to explain it to you where you don't think I'm an idiot.

MightyBobo · 04-13-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Well that sounds good to me then, I guess that's the plan. I may be able to get out there this summer then. Only issue would be where to keep my all season tires. Don't want to throw them away since they have a ton of tread left and I could use them for the winters.

Yeah, when running summer/winter tires, its easier to have 2 sets of wheels, for sure. See if you can find another set of base wheels that are jacked up? Spray paint them pink, throw summer tires on, call it good.

4r3s · 04-13-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Uh, no... It's not the 'pretty mods' I'm worried about. It's the whole damn car. If I damage something to where its unable/unsafe to drive, then I'm out a car. And I don't have a 2nd to get me to work/places I need to be to continue earning income to fix said car, mods be damned.

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

I'm not trying to deny this. All I'm saying is I don't wanna do an event and learn those things and be happy being a more knowledgeable driver. I want to keep going. I just dunno how to explain it to you where you don't think I'm an idiot.

For me, I'm not tracking my car because its the only car I've got. Something happens to her on a track where my insurance will not cover the damages I'm screwed.

MightyBobo · 04-13-2012, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

I'm not trying to deny this. All I'm saying is I don't wanna do an event and learn those things and be happy being a more knowledgeable driver. I want to keep going. I just dunno how to explain it to you where you don't think I'm an idiot.

I dont think you're an idiot in the first place lol.

What I do think is that you're crippling yourself with your own mods.

Intake and exhaust does NOT mean you need a tune, so that excuse is out the window. Fearing for the safety of your car since its your only one IS a valid concern before hitting the track. And that is why you don't drive "at the limit". Driving "close to the lmiit" is STILL an exciting experience, especially your first times out. And the best part? You still wont be near the limit likely because you'll be scared shitless lol.

But I think you're setting a bar WAY too high. You're basically saying, "I dont want to JUST be knowledgeable...I want to learn how to do everything, right off the bat". Yeah well no **** haha - everyone wants to get the most out of each event. But you must start at the basics, and that means going slow. And with what you have done to your car, you can go do that right now without fear of "losing" anything. Besides, you can either gain much by going out and doing it, or gain absolutely nothing at all by sitting here and saying you only want to go out and get all or nothing.

4r3s · 04-13-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Well that sounds good to me then, I guess that's the plan. I may be able to get out there this summer then. Only issue would be where to keep my all season tires. Don't want to throw them away since they have a ton of tread left and I could use them for the winters.

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Yeah, when running summer/winter tires, its easier to have 2 sets of wheels, for sure. See if you can find another set of base wheels that are jacked up? Spray paint them pink, throw summer tires on, call it good.

By this time next year I should have a house and a dd that's not my Z. I'll sell you my base wheels then which I have basically new summer tires and fairly new winter tires still. oh and tpms

XwChriswX · 04-13-2012, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

I dont think you're an idiot in the first place lol.

What I do think is that you're crippling yourself with your own mods.

Intake and exhaust does NOT mean you need a tune, so that excuse is out the window. Fearing for the safety of your car since its your only one IS a valid concern before hitting the track. And that is why you don't drive "at the limit". Driving "close to the lmiit" is STILL an exciting experience, especially your first times out. And the best part? You still wont be near the limit likely because you'll be scared shitless lol.

But I think you're setting a bar WAY too high. You're basically saying, "I dont want to JUST be knowledgeable...I want to learn how to do everything, right off the bat". Yeah well no **** haha - everyone wants to get the most out of each event. But you must start at the basics, and that means going slow. And with what you have done to your car, you can go do that right now without fear of "losing" anything. Besides, you can either gain much by going out and doing it, or gain absolutely nothing at all by sitting here and saying you only want to go out and get all or nothing.

This is why I say you don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying I want all or nothing. I'm saying that I don't wanna go do one event and be happy. Or a few events as me in my car. I'm saying I want to keep going. I want to compete. Eventually I'll have a 2nd car and that will be taken care of. Eventually I'll have everything done the way it should be done. But it's all in steps. I would like to go beyond me with in an instructor and get to the point to where the instructor feels comfortable with me alone in the car on the track, then get to the point to where its me with multiple cars At speed. Then Racing. And keep going. I'm not saying all or nothing, I'm saying if I go once, then I have to do it again, and better the next time. And so on lol

Again I can't explain it in words to where those more knowledgeable on the mechanics and physics and experience on a track will understand, so I'll just say that you're right, you know the track and you're my go to guy when I have a

moment.

shadoquad · 04-13-2012, 02:20 PM

I had wondered where Bobo went for the last hour or so... Now I know

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b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 141	Ok so now I'm a little confused. If I get good pads like Carbotechs and swap out the brake fluid, will my base brakes be safe enough for me to track? I'm talking about for now and for the future. If they will be then that's fine and I will save money by not having to get a bbk. If I will need the bbk eventually, then I'll just wait to get that and leave my base brakes alone until I do. My goal really isn't to push the limits of my car. I want to have fun and improve my driving skills, especially with the high performance driving on a track. Once I feel more comfortable driving on the track then I will try to push the limits of the car. Also, this should get me much more prepared for my next car, which will probably be a step up in performance. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

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