Oil Cooler Install in NoVa

Misnomer · 03-20-2015, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

I honestly think you gotta do some serious spirited driving to get to the point of 'overheating' (i.e. track time)

What part of "I want to track her" wasn't clear?

(You get that the Turnpike comment was a joke, right?)

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

You may find that having this oil cooller could be a pain, when you consider all the factors of having it. (driving conditions, outside air temps, whats good for the car, and whats not, etc).

Other than making sure the oil warms up enough on cold days, what "pain" factors are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by FLUJOKE

Should be around 180 for a 2 hour job

Thanks!

FLUJOKE · 03-20-2015, 03:10 PM

When u go to a bigger oil filter use a pureolator and some filter mags!

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eastwest2300 · 03-20-2015, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Misnomer

What part of "I want to track her" wasn't clear?

(You get that the Turnpike comment was a joke, right?)

Other than making sure the oil warms up enough on cold days, what "pain" factors are you talking about?

Thanks!

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Misnomer · 03-20-2015, 05:27 PM

Ok, then..anyone? What are some downsides to having an oil cooler, other than the "might need a blocking plate in cold temps" thing?

Tigger · 03-20-2015, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Misnomer

Ok, then..anyone? What are some downsides to having an oil cooler, other than the "might need a blocking plate in cold temps" thing?

You'll always have a quart of old oil floating around in your system unless you install it upside down and purge the lines each time you do an oil change. I've heard of a few people getting away with it but there is a chance that it will not work very efficiently as the entire cooler may not completely fill with oil. That could have various effects. Air compresses easily. If you punch it your oil pressure should go up but if the cooler if half empty then it may compress the air inside and not keep oil flow consistent and pressurized as it should be.

Shoulda got a '12. lol. jkjk. I don't know of anyone reporting any serious issues with their oil having the cooler installed the correct way and never getting a complete drain during an oil change. Shouldn't be anything to worry about.

Other than than, just normal maintenance such as checking the lines periodically and making sure no leaks have developed. If any of the lines begin to fray, order new ones and change them immediately. Shouldn't have a problem with that using the coated lines.

I also used a laser-heat checker thingy to check my cooler's oil temp independently from the gauge inside. It was somewhat informative and showed me I had even temps from top to bottom and that was a good indication of flow.

Tigger · 03-20-2015, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Misnomer

Nah, it's not my thing.

But good on ya for doing yours yourself, and thanks for the encouragement!

If you are going to track it, do the brakes too. Stainless lines and fluid. Get a set of pads for the track. Get a kit together so you can change the pads when you get there (super easy on a sport model). And for the love of all things sacred get rid of the pop-chargers. They are robbing you of power. Aside from that, you don't need to touch anything else.

Good luck!

EmilZ · 03-20-2015, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

I honestly think you gotta do some serious spirited driving to get to the point of 'overheating' (i.e. track time)

You may find that having this oil cooller could be a pain, when you consider all the factors of having it. (driving conditions, outside air temps, whats good for the car, and whats not, etc).

Hopefully, whoever installs it for you, they walk you through with what to expect.

As long as she has a thermostatic plate for this area she should be fine. I was bone stock a year ago and just sitting in the parking lot <cough, cough> I mean 66 during the summer would push it to 220 and up. Scared the is outta me. Like no..... baby.... please don't run a fever. Mommy will take care of you!

So I called Z1 and got some Tylenol. I mean an oil cooler. Being that it gets cold AF during the winter (and even on the 1st day of spring ) it keeps her even keel!

eastwest2300 · 03-21-2015, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by EmilZ

As long as she has a thermostatic plate for this area she should be fine. I was bone stock a year ago and just sitting in the parking lot <cough, cough> I mean 66 during the summer would push it to 220 and up. Scared the is outta me. Like no..... baby.... please don't run a fever. Mommy will take care of you!

So I called Z1 and got some Tylenol. I mean an oil cooler. Being that it gets cold AF during the winter (and even on the 1st day of spring ) it keeps her even keel!

The fact that you work on your own car is fricken awesome..

Im just like you, I love working on my Z and my honda s2000.

Misnomer · 03-21-2015, 10:40 AM

Thanks, Tigger and EmilZ! All of my research pointed firmly to "track = oil cooler," but I never saw any mention of potential downsides. I think (hope!) I got the right/best options from Z1.

And yeah, my oil temp got up to 250-260 one day last summer just driving from Baltimore to DC. No fun driving with one eye on the gauge! (Hmm, maybe the "NJ Turnpike on Memorial Day" thing wasn't as much of a joke as I thought...

)

Tigger, some follow-up questions if you don't mind:

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Originally Posted by Tigger

If you are going to track it, do the brakes too. Stainless lines and fluid.

Yeah, I'll definitely do the brakes and upgrade the brake fluid. Car and Driver also recommends brake-cooling ducts, but I've seen conflicting opinions on those. Plus I'm not going to be at VIR or living at the track or anything: I'll take her to one or two FATTs at Summit Point this summer, and might finally try an autocross event (maybe). I just want to be able to do that without overheating or going into a gravel pit. What do you think about brake-cooling ducts? Overkill?

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Get a set of pads for the track. Get a kit together so you can change the pads when you get there (super easy on a sport model).

I wasn't willing to put in a blocking plate myself, but you think I'm gonna change my brake pads at the track??

I know it's sexy for a woman to work on her own car -- and probably more appropriate for this forum -- but that just ain't me. I don't have a garage or any storage space, and have never been mechanically inclined. I don't feel like I couldn't do it, I'm just not interested. But I try to be educated about my vehicle and I do my best to take good care of her, and I don't feel the need to pretend to know more than I do.

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And for the love of all things sacred get rid of the pop-chargers. They are robbing you of power.

I've also heard conflicting opinions about those. The previous owner did leave me the original parts...how much power we talking about?

takjak2 · 03-22-2015, 09:38 AM

Misnomer, I'd be happy to install the oil cooler kit for you at half the cost of any dealership quote you can get. I've done 5 of these now. Bring your car to Sterling, hang out, and I can answer all of your track questions.

This is my car at VIR this weekend.

Z Stig · 03-22-2015, 10:49 AM

Misnomer: I'm jumping in with an opinion...

"Yeah, I'll definitely do the brakes and upgrade the brake fluid. Car and Driver also recommends brake-cooling ducts, but I've seen conflicting opinions on those. Plus I'm not going to be at VIR or living at the track or anything: I'll take her to one or two FATTs at Summit Point this summer, and might finally try an autocross event (maybe). I just want to be able to do that without overheating or going into a gravel pit. What do you think about brake-cooling ducts? Overkill?"

DEFINITELY NOT overkill! I tracked mine without them and had some fade and brake pad buildup so bad on the rotors that it felt like I had warped the rotors. Good news was that it was just buildup. Also drove the Dragon without them at ZDAYZ and had some serious brake overheating. I put the Stiller cooling duct kit on and did not have any more problems at the track or the Dragon.

Takjak2 is right, they are super easy to do. I think I could change a set in two minutes after taking the wheel off using a small Phillips screwdriver and some needle nose pliers. Easiest car to change pads that I have ever worked on.

Tigger · 03-22-2015, 04:34 PM

If you want to hit the track, as long as you do get your lines and fluid changed (I always used Catrol SRF, Many like the Motul stuff...and its way cheaper but has a lower boiling point. SRF is the highest boiling point of any so your pads will fade long before your fluid goes to ****) then you really shouldn't have much of a problem using the stock pads. However! If you smoke those pads at the track, you'll really need to change them before you leave. Someone might be willing to assist but I doubt anyone is going to just do the work, as simple as it is, entirely for you. So if there is one thing I recommend you get familiar with and learn to do, it's changing those pads. You can do each wheel in five minutes. It has nothing to do with being sexy or anything. There's lots of women that do this sort of thing. I would say you could be completely hands off the mechanical stuff if you wanted but the fact that you want to track it occasionally will force you into having to do these things whether you really want to or not.

Cooling ducts are a very cheap mod and well worth it like Z Stig said. You need to keep your brakes and your oil cool. Once you have those bases covered you can thrash the **** out of that car.

And those pop-chargers. lol... Yes. There will be conflicting information on this. Short ram intakes are well known for only increasing noise and robbing you of power and there's two reasons. One is the length of the tube to the filter from the manifold and the fact that they suck in hot air from the bay. I would run the stock intake before I ever thought about changing for the SRI. If you want to keep an intake on there, get the Stillen G3s. They come up for sale fairly often in the classifieds.

Lots of information. I have a habit of being very long-winded and I apologize. Just hope you are getting all the information you need. This forum is full of great information. Just keep digging in some of the older threads. You'll find an answer for almost everything else.

And definitely hit up Takjak!!!! Great guy. And if you are nice he might give you a ride in his track car. Buckle up fo' rilz. .

Misnomer · 03-23-2015, 04:41 PM

Thanks, everyone!!

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Originally Posted by takjak2

Misnomer, I'd be happy to install the oil cooler kit for you at half the cost of any dealership quote you can get. I've done 5 of these now. Bring your car to Sterling, hang out, and I can answer all of your track questions.

I might just take you up on that! I got my kit on Saturday, but haven't gotten any quotes yet. I'm in no hurry for the oil cooler itself, but I am due for an oil change -- as the Z loves to remind me every time I start her

-- and don't want to put that off too much longer. By the end of this week I'll know my schedule for the next month and will (hopefully) have made some calls; I'll PM you if interested. Thanks so much for the offer!

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Originally Posted by Z Stig

DEFINITELY NOT overkill!

Noted; thanks! LOL!

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Originally Posted by Tigger

However! If you smoke those pads at the track, you'll really need to change them before you leave.

Point taken.

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Someone might be willing to assist but I doubt anyone is going to just do the work, as simple as it is, entirely for you.

Woah! I would never expect anyone to do any work on my car for free/just to help me out. First of all, no one would: I'm old and fat.

(Offer still good, takjak2??

) But second, and more to the point, that's totally not my style. If something needs to be done and I'm not willing/able to do it myself, I fully expect to pay someone.

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I would say you could be completely hands off the mechanical stuff if you wanted but the fact that you want to track it occasionally will force you into having to do these things whether you really want to or not.

...but only because of this car. Not in general. This will be the third car I've tracked and I never had to worry about doing "these things" with either of the others. It's just a bit frustrating that with this car SO MUCH CRAP has to be added/monitored/replaced just for a day at the track.

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I have a habit of being very long-winded and I apologize.

Not all all! This whole thread has been good stuff. I really appreciate everyone's input.

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This forum is full of great information. Just keep digging in some of the older threads. You'll find an answer for almost everything else.

There is no "everything else."

The questions I've had, I've posted here.

And I've been "digging in some of the older threads" since I joined/got my Z 16 months ago -- that's how I knew which oil cooler to get in the first place.

takjak2 · 03-23-2015, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Misnomer

Offer still good, takjak2??

)

yup

Misnomer · 03-23-2015, 04:56 PM

Excellent.

Also, I feel the need to soften my "so much crap" whining by stating that I FREAKING LOVE MY CAR. I could never track her at all and be fine: I'm happy every single time I get behind the wheel. I haven't had many cars, and only one other RWD (a Mazda RX-8), but this is by far my favorite in the almost 30 years that I've been licensed.

(love.my.car)

03-22-2015, 10:49 AM	#41 (permalink)
Z Stig Track Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Brambleton, VA Posts: 917 Drives: SOLD: '10 370Z BC M6 Rep Power: 16	Misnomer: I'm jumping in with an opinion... "Yeah, I'll definitely do the brakes and upgrade the brake fluid. Car and Driver also recommends brake-cooling ducts, but I've seen conflicting opinions on those. Plus I'm not going to be at VIR or living at the track or anything: I'll take her to one or two FATTs at Summit Point this summer, and might finally try an autocross event (maybe). I just want to be able to do that without overheating or going into a gravel pit. What do you think about brake-cooling ducts? Overkill?" DEFINITELY NOT overkill! I tracked mine without them and had some fade and brake pad buildup so bad on the rotors that it felt like I had warped the rotors. Good news was that it was just buildup. Also drove the Dragon without them at ZDAYZ and had some serious brake overheating. I put the Stiller cooling duct kit on and did not have any more problems at the track or the Dragon. Takjak2 is right, they are super easy to do. I think I could change a set in two minutes after taking the wheel off using a small Phillips screwdriver and some needle nose pliers. Easiest car to change pads that I have ever worked on. Misnomer likes this. __________________ SOLD: '10 Sport Touring, Black Cherry: Z1 Stuff, Stillen stuff, kWv3, SPC, UpRev & Pilot Super Sport. Now: 2015 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk for off-road fun, 2015 BMW 228ix for on-road fun Last edited by Z Stig; 03-22-2015 at 11:30 AM.

03-22-2015, 04:34 PM	#42 (permalink)
Tigger A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NM Posts: 8,063 Drives: Awedeeeeee Rep Power: 602	If you want to hit the track, as long as you do get your lines and fluid changed (I always used Catrol SRF, Many like the Motul stuff...and its way cheaper but has a lower boiling point. SRF is the highest boiling point of any so your pads will fade long before your fluid goes to **) then you really shouldn't have much of a problem using the stock pads. However! If you smoke those pads at the track, you'll really need to change them before you leave. Someone might be willing to assist but I doubt anyone is going to just do the work, as simple as it is, entirely for you. So if there is one thing I recommend you get familiar with and learn to do, it's changing those pads. You can do each wheel in five minutes. It has nothing to do with being sexy or anything. There's lots of women that do this sort of thing. I would say you could be completely hands off the mechanical stuff if you wanted but the fact that you want to track it occasionally will force you into having to do these things whether you really want to or not. Cooling ducts are a very cheap mod and well worth it like Z Stig said. You need to keep your brakes and your oil cool. Once you have those bases covered you can thrash the ** out of that car. And those pop-chargers. lol... Yes. There will be conflicting information on this. Short ram intakes are well known for only increasing noise and robbing you of power and there's two reasons. One is the length of the tube to the filter from the manifold and the fact that they suck in hot air from the bay. I would run the stock intake before I ever thought about changing for the SRI. If you want to keep an intake on there, get the Stillen G3s. They come up for sale fairly often in the classifieds. Lots of information. I have a habit of being very long-winded and I apologize. Just hope you are getting all the information you need. This forum is full of great information. Just keep digging in some of the older threads. You'll find an answer for almost everything else. And definitely hit up Takjak!!!! Great guy. And if you are nice he might give you a ride in his track car. Buckle up fo' rilz. . Z Stig, eastwest2300 and Misnomer like this.

03-23-2015, 04:56 PM	#45 (permalink)
Misnomer Base Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Falls Church, VA Posts: 95 Drives: 2020 BMW M240i Rep Power: 12	Excellent. Also, I feel the need to soften my "so much crap" whining by stating that I FREAKING LOVE MY CAR. I could never track her at all and be fine: I'm happy every single time I get behind the wheel. I haven't had many cars, and only one other RWD (a Mazda RX-8), but this is by far my favorite in the almost 30 years that I've been licensed. (love.my.car) Z Stig, takjak2 and Tigger like this.

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