Surfdog's 09 journal

SurfDog · 03-21-2018, 11:35 PM

I hope so too. I’ve been a great customer for Z1 I hope they do what they can to make it right. Pitching in on my tear down costs and sending a rebuild gasket kit would be appreciated (I’m on my 3d teardown for this rebuild!!)

SurfDog · 03-22-2018, 10:21 PM

In other news. Lots of progress over here:
Surfdog57's Gen 3 (#12) build journal.
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sha...1&share_type=t

Hotrodz · 03-23-2018, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SurfDog

In other news. Lots of progress over here:
Surfdog57's Gen 3 (#12) build journal.
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sha...1&share_type=t

She is looking pretty dang nice!

Quicksilvers · 03-23-2018, 01:08 AM

Beautiful Z you have there very nice.

SurfDog · 03-23-2018, 11:05 PM

Z1 says all that cylinder wear is normal. They like how it’s built and are sending it back to me. They say they recommend I drop it back in and run it.

So in it goes. If it blows up I guess I’ll just drop in a Stock block. I’m out of ideas how to get this motor right. It’s been 9 months trying to rebuild and I guess I’m the to the point where I just have no idea how to get it right. I’m going to run it like it’s not FUBAR and hope for the best. I could have dropped in two Factory crate motors on what I’ve spent trying to get this build one running.

Bummer. Or maybe it’s fine. It still sounds like a bag of nickels when it runs though.

https://youtu.be/-s-qzpUA9aM

Rusty · 03-23-2018, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SurfDog

Z1 says all that cylinder wear is normal. They like how it’s built and are sending it back to me. They say they recommend I drop it back in and run it.

So in it goes. If it blows up I guess I’ll just drop in a Stock block. I’m out of ideas how to get this motor right. It’s been 9 months trying to rebuild and I guess I’m the to the point where I just have no idea how to get it right. I’m going to run it like it’s not FUBAR and hope for the best. I could have dropped in two Factory crate motors on what I’ve spent trying to get this build one running.

Bummer. Or maybe it’s fine. It still sounds like a bag of nickels when it runs though.

https://youtu.be/-s-qzpUA9aM

Thinking it could be the cam profile on the exhaust. The shape of the ramps may not be noise friendly.

SurfDog · 03-23-2018, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Thinking it could be the cam profile on the exhaust. The shape of the ramps may not be noise friendly.

John wolf said it’s not normal to sound like that but like I say I’m going to run it and see what happens.

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Rusty · 03-23-2018, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SurfDog

Well believe it or not after relashing the heads there was still some engine noise (less noise but still..) coming out of my motor so I tore it down again and found another problem. Can you friggin’ believe it!!?!

Z1s Short block is eating itself.

According to two motor builders who have looked at it, either the wrist pins are too tight or the pistons are a bit undersized (or a bit of both I suspect).

Anyhow after about 200 miles of easy break in (with break in oil) check out these totally trashed cylinders... the groves are deep enough to feel with your eyes closed. Definitely not normal at all. This motor wouldn’t last an hour at full power I suspect. The pistons are rocking with the wrist pins not “floating” in the cylinders on the oil as they should. Also notice the high carbon buildup from excessive oil blow by. That should not be there after only 200 miles of break in style driving.

Sooo... I’ve pulled the motor (again... 3rd time) and sent Z1 their block back.

They are deciding what to do about it. (They did send a shipping label so that a start)

In the mean time as the motor is again totally apart, I sent the heads to MA Motorsports. Daelen there looked em over. He says the lash and overall head condition looks good now. (After relashing them into spec here in Denver). I figured a second very experienced set of eyes could not hurt before I bolt this f-er back together... hopefully for the last time.

Ug. This has sucked.

Had rebuilt a 400 ci Pontiac motor years ago. The cylinder walls looked like this after 500 mile break-in. Motor was making some weird noise. On tear down. Found that the ring ends was butting. And the ring coating was flaking off. Ring gap was set about .003" too tight.

ban25 · 03-26-2018, 01:41 PM

What does it sound like from in the cabin? Here’s a video of mine:

https://youtu.be/iNtDhwGo2mE

SurfDog · 03-27-2018, 03:36 AM

I’m planning to build it up piece by piece on the test stand. I’ll spin it until we chase down the source.

SurfDog · 04-10-2018, 03:16 AM

Lots of little bits of plumbing progress

Engine start Friday if I can get my cooling system done. All the oil lines are cleaned out and all has been removed and the extra brackets painted up. Diff cooler plumbing is coming along.

Body work is slow and I’ve got some panels out for powdercoating so I’m now officially a bit behind my August rollout schedule.

Oh well it was a soft timeline anyhow. This is supposed to be a shakedown year getting prepped for 2017 enduro racing. I’ll still be okay to get my testing done and Maybe run a race or two.

Rusty · 04-10-2018, 10:15 AM

Plumbing takes awhile. It looks easy in the video's on making up stainless lines.

SurfDog · 04-10-2018, 11:42 PM

Next bay over from where we’re doing fab work on my coupe in my buddy’s shop....

Mclaren Can Am car! It’s fun looking that thing over for inspiration on my “little” racer.

...Okay two bays I don’t really see the thunderbird when I’m in there.

Rusty · 04-10-2018, 11:47 PM

I love the old CanAm cars. Heart pounders.

SurfDog · 04-11-2018, 12:12 AM

It’s craaaazy fast. I haven’t driven it yet but probably will have a lap or two one it’s done being restored. (An easy lap or two)

03-21-2018, 11:35 PM	#316 (permalink)
SurfDog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Colorado (9000 feet) Age: 56 Posts: 1,796 Drives: 09 6mt, 13 Sequoia, Rep Power: 15749	I hope so too. I’ve been a great customer for Z1 I hope they do what they can to make it right. Pitching in on my tear down costs and sending a rebuild gasket kit would be appreciated (I’m on my 3d teardown for this rebuild!!) __________________ 09 6spd Berk CBE, JWT cams, ZSpeed CSC, Stillen (25 row oil, brake cooling, sways, gen3 CAI), Passport (9500ci), Quaife LSD, Z1 400 hp kit, ss lines, pads, rotors, clutch etc, Phunk's pan and fuel starve fix

03-22-2018, 10:21 PM	#317 (permalink)
SurfDog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Colorado (9000 feet) Age: 56 Posts: 1,796 Drives: 09 6mt, 13 Sequoia, Rep Power: 15749	In other news. Lots of progress over here: Surfdog57's Gen 3 (#12) build journal. https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sha...1&share_type=t Rusty and Hotrodz like this. __________________ 09 6spd Berk CBE, JWT cams, ZSpeed CSC, Stillen (25 row oil, brake cooling, sways, gen3 CAI), Passport (9500ci), Quaife LSD, Z1 400 hp kit, ss lines, pads, rotors, clutch etc, Phunk's pan and fuel starve fix

03-23-2018, 11:05 PM	#320 (permalink)
SurfDog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Colorado (9000 feet) Age: 56 Posts: 1,796 Drives: 09 6mt, 13 Sequoia, Rep Power: 15749	Surfdog's 09 journal Z1 says all that cylinder wear is normal. They like how it’s built and are sending it back to me. They say they recommend I drop it back in and run it. So in it goes. If it blows up I guess I’ll just drop in a Stock block. I’m out of ideas how to get this motor right. It’s been 9 months trying to rebuild and I guess I’m the to the point where I just have no idea how to get it right. I’m going to run it like it’s not FUBAR and hope for the best. I could have dropped in two Factory crate motors on what I’ve spent trying to get this build one running. Bummer. Or maybe it’s fine. It still sounds like a bag of nickels when it runs though. https://youtu.be/-s-qzpUA9aM __________________ 09 6spd Berk CBE, JWT cams, ZSpeed CSC, Stillen (25 row oil, brake cooling, sways, gen3 CAI), Passport (9500ci), Quaife LSD, Z1 400 hp kit, ss lines, pads, rotors, clutch etc, Phunk's pan and fuel starve fix Last edited by SurfDog; 03-23-2018 at 11:16 PM.

03-26-2018, 01:41 PM	#324 (permalink)
ban25 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: SF, CA Posts: 339 Drives: 17 C7 Z06 M7 Rep Power: 66	What does it sound like from in the cabin? Here’s a video of mine: https://youtu.be/iNtDhwGo2mE __________________ 2017 Corvette Z06 7MT \| 1LE \| Stage 3 \| DSCSport

03-27-2018, 03:36 AM	#325 (permalink)
SurfDog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Colorado (9000 feet) Age: 56 Posts: 1,796 Drives: 09 6mt, 13 Sequoia, Rep Power: 15749	I’m planning to build it up piece by piece on the test stand. I’ll spin it until we chase down the source. JARblue likes this. __________________ 09 6spd Berk CBE, JWT cams, ZSpeed CSC, Stillen (25 row oil, brake cooling, sways, gen3 CAI), Passport (9500ci), Quaife LSD, Z1 400 hp kit, ss lines, pads, rotors, clutch etc, Phunk's pan and fuel starve fix

03-23-2018, 01:08 AM	#319 (permalink)
Quicksilvers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2017 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,039 Drives: 2017 370z Rep Power: 25463	Beautiful Z you have there very nice.

04-10-2018, 03:16 AM	#326 (permalink)
SurfDog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Colorado (9000 feet) Age: 56 Posts: 1,796 Drives: 09 6mt, 13 Sequoia, Rep Power: 15749	Lots of little bits of plumbing progress Engine start Friday if I can get my cooling system done. All the oil lines are cleaned out and all has been removed and the extra brackets painted up. Diff cooler plumbing is coming along. Body work is slow and I’ve got some panels out for powdercoating so I’m now officially a bit behind my August rollout schedule. Oh well it was a soft timeline anyhow. This is supposed to be a shakedown year getting prepped for 2017 enduro racing. I’ll still be okay to get my testing done and Maybe run a race or two. Rusty, Hotrodz, madwi and 1 others like this. __________________ 09 6spd Berk CBE, JWT cams, ZSpeed CSC, Stillen (25 row oil, brake cooling, sways, gen3 CAI), Passport (9500ci), Quaife LSD, Z1 400 hp kit, ss lines, pads, rotors, clutch etc, Phunk's pan and fuel starve fix

04-10-2018, 10:15 AM	#327 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,184 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	Plumbing takes awhile. It looks easy in the video's on making up stainless lines. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

04-10-2018, 11:42 PM	#328 (permalink)
SurfDog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Colorado (9000 feet) Age: 56 Posts: 1,796 Drives: 09 6mt, 13 Sequoia, Rep Power: 15749	Surfdog's 09 journal Next bay over from where we’re doing fab work on my coupe in my buddy’s shop.... Mclaren Can Am car! It’s fun looking that thing over for inspiration on my “little” racer. ...Okay two bays I don’t really see the thunderbird when I’m in there. Rusty and Hotrodz like this. __________________ 09 6spd Berk CBE, JWT cams, ZSpeed CSC, Stillen (25 row oil, brake cooling, sways, gen3 CAI), Passport (9500ci), Quaife LSD, Z1 400 hp kit, ss lines, pads, rotors, clutch etc, Phunk's pan and fuel starve fix

04-10-2018, 11:47 PM	#329 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,184 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	I love the old CanAm cars. Heart pounders. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

04-11-2018, 12:12 AM	#330 (permalink)
SurfDog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Colorado (9000 feet) Age: 56 Posts: 1,796 Drives: 09 6mt, 13 Sequoia, Rep Power: 15749	It’s craaaazy fast. I haven’t driven it yet but probably will have a lap or two one it’s done being restored. (An easy lap or two) __________________ 09 6spd Berk CBE, JWT cams, ZSpeed CSC, Stillen (25 row oil, brake cooling, sways, gen3 CAI), Passport (9500ci), Quaife LSD, Z1 400 hp kit, ss lines, pads, rotors, clutch etc, Phunk's pan and fuel starve fix

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