Surfdog's 09 journal

Rusty · 06-01-2017, 08:06 PM

Ohhhhhh......exit wound...........

SurfDog · 06-01-2017, 08:08 PM

The motor is already out. Now I'm planning how to build.

I'm thinking
forged oil pump gears
Good crank and rods and pistons
Phunks pan
400 hp kit (recycled)
Bugger throttle bodies
Add an acusump to my stillen cooler.
Fluid harmonic dampener (to help with the JWT light flywheel)

Rusty · 06-01-2017, 08:13 PM

Bugger throttle bodies.

SurfDog · 06-01-2017, 08:53 PM

I'm up for recommendations on a good 4000 dollar street (occasional track) build.

Rusty · 06-01-2017, 09:16 PM

1st question. Are your heads from this motor any good? If so. You can get a built short block. There have been a couple of them posted on the forum. Save a couple of bucks. If not, then long block. Parts for a built motor. Billet crank, rods, pistons, ATI dampener is what I would start with. Decide on what displacement you want to run too if you go this route. Think you could get close to 400hp with cubic inches.

SurfDog · 06-02-2017, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty

1st question. Are your heads from this motor any good? If so. You can get a built short block. There have been a couple of them posted on the forum. Save a couple of bucks. If not, then long block. Parts for a built motor. Billet crank, rods, pistons, ATI dampener is what I would start with. Decide on what displacement you want to run too if you go this route. Think you could get close to 400hp with cubic inches.

I'm in progress assessing the damage. Stay tuned. I'm exited to tap into the wisdom here on the forum to build a cool motor.

I suspect my heads are okay but it's hard to say before I get the motor apart.

Rusty · 06-02-2017, 11:54 AM

I suspect that you may have a damage chamber in a head with a rod looking like that.

Hotrodz · 06-03-2017, 12:54 AM

I would not chance it, aluminum heads are easily damaged! Long block or ls swap. I have driven a 240 with a v8 and it's pretty dang awesome!

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Rusty · 06-03-2017, 04:04 AM

The only problem with doing a LS swap. Is now you have 2 project cars going on at the same time. could get confusing.

Hotrodz · 06-03-2017, 09:42 AM

Lol my brother has that problem and it has taken him years to complete one of his projects. Well he is not done yet with his 69 ss camaro and I'm picking up an engine for 72 chevelle next weekend so that might not be a good idea lol!

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SurfDog · 06-03-2017, 01:23 PM

Yeah in going to buy a build long block I think and run on that. It should be good for a mostly DD.

What do you think about 11/1 compression for a street car.

Rusty · 06-03-2017, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SurfDog

Yeah in going to buy a build long block I think and run on that. It should be good for a mostly DD.

What do you think about 11/1 compression for a street car.

That's what the stock N/A Z 3.7 is. 11 to 1. Most built FI Z blocks are 10 to1 to 9 to 1.

SurfDog · 06-16-2017, 06:29 AM

Well I pieced together a long block
Z1 stage 2 short and IPP stage 2 heads with the JWT exhaust cams

I'll be swapping out all the timing chains gaskets etc and upgrading the failed (culprit) oil gasket to a metallic with better fasteners

Upgraded to Nismo oil pump

Z1 throttle bodies

The motor should come back together pretty stout but I'll still limit to 7800 RPM just to be conservative

I'll recycle my Z1 400 ho kit but am getting a new plenum (mine is full of shrapnel)

I'm hoping to make this mess an opportunity for a moderate upgrade.

The throttle bodies make 10 ish hp?
The JWT cams 25 ft lbs and 10 ish hp
The fresh motor ???? Better compression perhaps but my motor was pretty strong befor it popped so who knows. The head was a bit leaky so who knows.

...no dry sump . That's going into the racecar but I will Acusump!! (Bought one from a forum guy)

Should be a cool motor when I'm done.

Rusty · 06-16-2017, 07:50 AM

Don't take any short cuts when building the motor. If something is not right, fix it. It's not good when you know you did something that you're not suppose to do.

SurfDog · 08-19-2017, 01:19 AM

I verified with IPP that they are putting the gen 2 JWT exhaust cams on my heads.

They also told me that my cores are no good because i stripped down the heads too much ( I guess you are supposed to leave the intake cams and phasers alone when tearing everything down...oops)

so with the exception of having to pay a core charge, I'm in pretty good shape.

Z1 shipped my bottom end and all the extras today (z1 clutch, billet oil gears, stage 2 long block etc) today so I'll just be waiting for the heads and I'm back in business,,

It will be cool to see if a stage 2 NA built motor with JWT cams makes any dyno gains. Surely it must!!!! lol

It seems like a long time I've been without my Z!!!!

06-01-2017, 08:06 PM	#136 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,185 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	Ohhhhhh......exit wound........... __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

06-01-2017, 08:08 PM	#137 (permalink)
SurfDog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Colorado (9000 feet) Age: 56 Posts: 1,796 Drives: 09 6mt, 13 Sequoia, Rep Power: 15749	Surfdog's 09 journal The motor is already out. Now I'm planning how to build. I'm thinking forged oil pump gears Good crank and rods and pistons Phunks pan 400 hp kit (recycled) Bugger throttle bodies Add an acusump to my stillen cooler. Fluid harmonic dampener (to help with the JWT light flywheel) Rusty and ScottM like this. __________________ 09 6spd Berk CBE, JWT cams, ZSpeed CSC, Stillen (25 row oil, brake cooling, sways, gen3 CAI), Passport (9500ci), Quaife LSD, Z1 400 hp kit, ss lines, pads, rotors, clutch etc, Phunk's pan and fuel starve fix Last edited by SurfDog; 06-01-2017 at 08:11 PM.

06-01-2017, 08:53 PM	#139 (permalink)
SurfDog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Colorado (9000 feet) Age: 56 Posts: 1,796 Drives: 09 6mt, 13 Sequoia, Rep Power: 15749	I'm up for recommendations on a good 4000 dollar street (occasional track) build. __________________ 09 6spd Berk CBE, JWT cams, ZSpeed CSC, Stillen (25 row oil, brake cooling, sways, gen3 CAI), Passport (9500ci), Quaife LSD, Z1 400 hp kit, ss lines, pads, rotors, clutch etc, Phunk's pan and fuel starve fix

06-01-2017, 09:16 PM	#140 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,185 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	1st question. Are your heads from this motor any good? If so. You can get a built short block. There have been a couple of them posted on the forum. Save a couple of bucks. If not, then long block. Parts for a built motor. Billet crank, rods, pistons, ATI dampener is what I would start with. Decide on what displacement you want to run too if you go this route. Think you could get close to 400hp with cubic inches. SurfDog likes this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

06-02-2017, 11:54 AM	#142 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,185 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	I suspect that you may have a damage chamber in a head with a rod looking like that. SurfDog and ScottM like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

06-03-2017, 12:54 AM	#143 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	I would not chance it, aluminum heads are easily damaged! Long block or ls swap. I have driven a 240 with a v8 and it's pretty dang awesome! Sent from my SM-N910P using Tapatalk SurfDog likes this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

06-03-2017, 04:04 AM	#144 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,185 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	The only problem with doing a LS swap. Is now you have 2 project cars going on at the same time. could get confusing. SurfDog and Hotrodz like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

06-03-2017, 09:42 AM	#145 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	Lol my brother has that problem and it has taken him years to complete one of his projects. Well he is not done yet with his 69 ss camaro and I'm picking up an engine for 72 chevelle next weekend so that might not be a good idea lol! Sent from my SM-N910P using Tapatalk Rusty and ScottM like this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

06-03-2017, 01:23 PM	#146 (permalink)
SurfDog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Colorado (9000 feet) Age: 56 Posts: 1,796 Drives: 09 6mt, 13 Sequoia, Rep Power: 15749	Yeah in going to buy a build long block I think and run on that. It should be good for a mostly DD. What do you think about 11/1 compression for a street car. __________________ 09 6spd Berk CBE, JWT cams, ZSpeed CSC, Stillen (25 row oil, brake cooling, sways, gen3 CAI), Passport (9500ci), Quaife LSD, Z1 400 hp kit, ss lines, pads, rotors, clutch etc, Phunk's pan and fuel starve fix

06-16-2017, 06:29 AM	#148 (permalink)
SurfDog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Colorado (9000 feet) Age: 56 Posts: 1,796 Drives: 09 6mt, 13 Sequoia, Rep Power: 15749	Well I pieced together a long block Z1 stage 2 short and IPP stage 2 heads with the JWT exhaust cams I'll be swapping out all the timing chains gaskets etc and upgrading the failed (culprit) oil gasket to a metallic with better fasteners Upgraded to Nismo oil pump Z1 throttle bodies The motor should come back together pretty stout but I'll still limit to 7800 RPM just to be conservative I'll recycle my Z1 400 ho kit but am getting a new plenum (mine is full of shrapnel) I'm hoping to make this mess an opportunity for a moderate upgrade. The throttle bodies make 10 ish hp? The JWT cams 25 ft lbs and 10 ish hp The fresh motor ???? Better compression perhaps but my motor was pretty strong befor it popped so who knows. The head was a bit leaky so who knows. ...no dry sump . That's going into the racecar but I will Acusump!! (Bought one from a forum guy) Should be a cool motor when I'm done. Rusty and Hotrodz like this. __________________ 09 6spd Berk CBE, JWT cams, ZSpeed CSC, Stillen (25 row oil, brake cooling, sways, gen3 CAI), Passport (9500ci), Quaife LSD, Z1 400 hp kit, ss lines, pads, rotors, clutch etc, Phunk's pan and fuel starve fix

06-16-2017, 07:50 AM	#149 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,185 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	Don't take any short cuts when building the motor. If something is not right, fix it. It's not good when you know you did something that you're not suppose to do. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

08-19-2017, 01:19 AM	#150 (permalink)
SurfDog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Colorado (9000 feet) Age: 56 Posts: 1,796 Drives: 09 6mt, 13 Sequoia, Rep Power: 15749	I verified with IPP that they are putting the gen 2 JWT exhaust cams on my heads. They also told me that my cores are no good because i stripped down the heads too much ( I guess you are supposed to leave the intake cams and phasers alone when tearing everything down...oops) so with the exception of having to pay a core charge, I'm in pretty good shape. Z1 shipped my bottom end and all the extras today (z1 clutch, billet oil gears, stage 2 long block etc) today so I'll just be waiting for the heads and I'm back in business,, It will be cool to see if a stage 2 NA built motor with JWT cams makes any dyno gains. Surely it must!!!! lol It seems like a long time I've been without my Z!!!! Rusty and Hotrodz like this. __________________ 09 6spd Berk CBE, JWT cams, ZSpeed CSC, Stillen (25 row oil, brake cooling, sways, gen3 CAI), Passport (9500ci), Quaife LSD, Z1 400 hp kit, ss lines, pads, rotors, clutch etc, Phunk's pan and fuel starve fix

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