SPOHN'S Journal II Track Demon Reborn

Sh0velMan · 01-02-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

XP10F + XP8R is the way to go for the Carbotechs, at least on the stock Sport setup. 8/8 gives too much ice mode, whereas 10/8 feels pretty good. They've very grabby so it'll take a little getting used to. FWIW I've switched from Carbotech to CL RC6/RC5+. The Carbotechs worked fine on the track on my good weekends, I just switched as part of debugging my long-term rotor destruction problems. First time I'll finally get to track-test the CL setup will now be Jan 26/27, but so far in non-track testing they've been pretty awesome.

Yeah, I've done two track days and several autocrosses plus 5k or so street miles, and my rotors look practically new. This is on RC6 F/R. The pads also look fairly fresh... Kind of spooky.

FL 4Motion · 01-03-2013, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

Something sintered. Carbotech, CL, Ferodo, etc.

the CL RC6's are quite hoss, but it's probably easier and cheaper to get the XP8's/10s.

I'd read that most folks like 10 on front and 8 on rear for our car.

If you can ignore the noise and dust, you could just run them full time. The RC6's wear quite slowly in my experience and you learn to block out the noise pretty quickly in return for the amazing braking performance.

/\ yup, will be switching out to 10/8 combo w/in the next year.

we run 8/8 combo all the time, no issues, can't hear any brake squealing since the exhaust is so loud, so therefore, if i can't hear it, then it must not be happening.

martin82 · 01-03-2013, 05:03 PM

I run project mu CR(club racer) both front and rear with no ice mode issues....

SPOHN · 01-03-2013, 05:11 PM

I'm glad I've never had a single issue of/ with ''Ice mode''.

wstar · 01-03-2013, 05:21 PM

That "ice mode" is highly dependent on a lot of factors I think, which is why it's hit and miss (or mostly miss, for some). That the track I hit the most has some ripply/bumpy/not-ideal pavement in some hard braking zones is probably a huge factor. Being a little light in the rear on weight distribution doesn't help either (and/or having a very stiff rear sway). Lack of cooling to the fronts and/or under-specced front pads relative to rear would contribute as well. Then of course I'm sure personal habits on how you use the pedal and how you set up the car's ... what's the right term? dynamic weight distribution? ... during certain braking sections will affect it as well.

Carbon_z · 01-03-2013, 05:25 PM

damn bro I gotta see the car... Everytime I see it, its different lol

Sh0velMan · 01-04-2013, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar

That "ice mode" is highly dependent on a lot of factors I think, which is why it's hit and miss (or mostly miss, for some). That the track I hit the most has some ripply/bumpy/not-ideal pavement in some hard braking zones is probably a huge factor. Being a little light in the rear on weight distribution doesn't help either (and/or having a very stiff rear sway). Lack of cooling to the fronts and/or under-specced front pads relative to rear would contribute as well. Then of course I'm sure personal habits on how you use the pedal and how you set up the car's ... what's the right term? dynamic weight distribution? ... during certain braking sections will affect it as well.

Sounds like Turn 1 @ TWS... lol my inner monologue was regularly "**** **** **** **** **** **** shiiiiiit! Wheew okay turn in..." So bumpy it's hard to slow down sometimes, even without brake fade or ice mode.

SPOHN · 01-04-2013, 08:38 AM

Yea, all tracks I've been to are smooth so I'll hopefully never experience that. Does CL makes pads for after market BBK's?

Sh0velMan · 01-04-2013, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN

Yea, all tracks I've been to are smooth so I'll hopefully never experience that. Does CL makes pads for after market BBK's?

Definitely.

CL Brakes - Catalogue Auto

Sh0velMan · 01-04-2013, 08:59 AM

Bah their catalog is out of date.

Use this site: Essex - Essex Parts - Brake Pads

You can choose aftermarket calipers, then AP, and pick your model.

Edit: Also, you want 'Full Race' category and RC8 are rally pads, just FYI.

SPOHN · 01-04-2013, 10:14 AM

Thanks for the info. Repped

wstar · 01-04-2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

Sounds like Turn 1 @ TWS... lol my inner monologue was regularly "**** **** **** **** **** **** shiiiiiit! Wheew okay turn in..." So bumpy it's hard to slow down sometimes, even without brake fade or ice mode.

Yeah TWS is next on my list to conquer, but I've only done a few laps there. MSR-Houston is the ripply one I'm referring to (which has actually been great for being my primary learning track. Having the pavement be a bit unpredictable really teaches you to be smoother and feel things out better).

Sh0velMan · 01-04-2013, 09:36 PM

Spohn, when looking at your stock radiator, do you think it's possible to cut the condenser off? It looks like its held on only by some little brackets....

What say you?

SPOHN · 01-04-2013, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

Spohn, when looking at your stock radiator, do you think it's possible to cut the condenser off? It looks like its held on only by some little brackets....

What say you?

I look at it briefly but I noticed the same thing. It's welded on but it looks as it can be cut off. There's definitely no way there connected fluid wise.

SPOHN · 01-05-2013, 06:25 PM

Final wire harness delete. I've clipped and pin backed all the deleted harness for a cleaner look

Also reinstalled my gauges on the mid brace bar. Still have to buy a aftermarket oil temp and volt gauge.

01-03-2013, 05:11 PM	#214 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	I'm glad I've never had a single issue of/ with ''Ice mode''. __________________

01-03-2013, 05:21 PM	#215 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	That "ice mode" is highly dependent on a lot of factors I think, which is why it's hit and miss (or mostly miss, for some). That the track I hit the most has some ripply/bumpy/not-ideal pavement in some hard braking zones is probably a huge factor. Being a little light in the rear on weight distribution doesn't help either (and/or having a very stiff rear sway). Lack of cooling to the fronts and/or under-specced front pads relative to rear would contribute as well. Then of course I'm sure personal habits on how you use the pedal and how you set up the car's ... what's the right term? dynamic weight distribution? ... during certain braking sections will affect it as well. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

01-03-2013, 05:25 PM	#216 (permalink)
Carbon_z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 1,694 Drives: Carbon Fiber 370z Rep Power: 19	damn bro I gotta see the car... Everytime I see it, its different lol __________________ Full Carbon Fiber Nissan 370z "400zTT" Fully Built 4.0L Twin Turbo 1300hp, 1100whp. Follow me on Instagram at http://www.instagram.com/carbonz.

01-04-2013, 08:38 AM	#218 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	Yea, all tracks I've been to are smooth so I'll hopefully never experience that. Does CL makes pads for after market BBK's? __________________

01-04-2013, 08:59 AM	#220 (permalink)
Sh0velMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Dallas/Ft.Worth Posts: 3,349 Drives: Noisily. Rep Power: 20	Bah their catalog is out of date. Use this site: Essex - Essex Parts - Brake Pads You can choose aftermarket calipers, then AP, and pick your model. Edit: Also, you want 'Full Race' category and RC8 are rally pads, just FYI. __________________ Buy My Car! \| Build Thread

01-03-2013, 05:03 PM	#213 (permalink)
martin82 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: los angeles Posts: 2,636 Drives: 12 Nissan 370Z MB M6 Rep Power: 20	I run project mu CR(club racer) both front and rear with no ice mode issues....

01-04-2013, 10:14 AM	#221 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	Thanks for the info. Repped __________________

01-04-2013, 09:36 PM	#223 (permalink)
Sh0velMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Dallas/Ft.Worth Posts: 3,349 Drives: Noisily. Rep Power: 20	Spohn, when looking at your stock radiator, do you think it's possible to cut the condenser off? It looks like its held on only by some little brackets.... What say you? __________________ Buy My Car! \| Build Thread

01-05-2013, 06:25 PM	#225 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	Final wire harness delete. I've clipped and pin backed all the deleted harness for a cleaner look Also reinstalled my gauges on the mid brace bar. Still have to buy a aftermarket oil temp and volt gauge. __________________

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