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wstar · 11-11-2012, 02:26 PM

Well, status update: I was supposed to be back at MSR-H this past weekend with TDE again, but I got cancelled by work at the last minute. We had a sudden service outage (I do techie stuff) that started around noon Thursday and I was basically chained to my keyboard at home working on it non-stop through early Saturday morning (then a brief sleep break and back on it until late Saturday night). I had been planning to not work much Friday and do my car prep and head out, was pretty pissed off at my job for making me miss the weekend.

So... no real track test for the new brake setup yet. I will say though that my experience so far on the street (including some mildly track-y conditions testing out in the middle of nowhere in zero traffic) is that I love this CL RC6/RC5+ setup on the stock sport calipers. They seem to be basically self-maintaining on the rotor stuff as advertised, they're great at leveling out any unevenness in the rotor itself, the squeaking isn't too bad even after a lot of cold street driving, and the modulation is awesome. I think I was being fooled before by equating the Carbotechs' strong initial bite with being a "better" pad. These will clamp down just as hard when you lay your foot into the pedal, but you get so much easier modulation in the partial-pressure situations because the bite isn't so snappy. The release is more progressive as well. I think it's really going to help with my brake-to-maintenance-throttle transitions and working on trail braking.

Next weekend I'm scheduled for is late January. In the meantime all car stuff is basically on hold while I work on other life upgrades that will further enable my car hobby: buying a new house with a 3 car garage and a DD truck so I can take this car permanently off the street and finish going all out on the car's setup. I may initially keep it stickered and still drive it to and from events, but eventually it will go on a trailer, hence the truck choice for the DD.

ChrisSlicks · 11-11-2012, 02:36 PM

Sorry about missing the event, it sucks when work gets in the way like that. Happened to me last weekend fortunately I wasn't scheduled for any events.

Glad you're digging the pads, you'll love them on the track I promise!

Big thumbs up for planning to turn the Z into a track monster!

VoBoy · 11-11-2012, 10:05 PM

Hmmmm... there are a couple of grandsport speedway events and msrh race 4 charity coming up.... :P

wstar · 11-11-2012, 11:59 PM

Yeah I'll take a look and see what I can squeeze in, in the meantime. I've still never been to Grandsport even once. Every single time I plan for it, something goes wrong :P

wstar · 02-05-2013, 05:50 AM

Belated random updates!

Got the house and truck part nailed down. Now I have an acre of land in a unrestricted area and the Z has a 3-car garage all to itself, way out north of Houston close to Pinehurst, and I just picked up a used '05 Ford F-150 as a DD / tow-vehicle

Made it to the TDE event at MSR-H for the weekend of Jan 26/27 a little over a week ago. It was my first event back since September, and I really had to shake some rust off. I think I picked a bad time in my development to be putting such huge gaps in the timeline, but that's life. So mostly I was just trying to get back up to where I was before all weekend.

Mostly it went well. 2nd to last session Sunday was in very wet conditions, and my rear 295-width Conti DW's had already worn down pretty close to dead flat on tread by then. It was kinda hilarious. I had an instructor for this run. She jumped in the car at the grid and asked what my plans were for the session. I said something like "Hey it's wet and I've got almost no tread left, I'm just gonna take it easy and try not to spin", and then I proceeded to spin out on the first tight corner of the warmup lap. It came on outta nowhere without really feeling it give way first, and I corrected poorly. Luckily it was at very low speed and we just kinda drifted off track as we were spinning in slow motion and then drove back on when it was clear. It was still kinda stupid and embarrassing

Had another related first-ever event: first time I've ever had another car spin out directly in front of me mid-corner. This was in the dry, and the car had just passed me on the previous straight and entered a bit off-line and aggressive. I made it around him, but it was tough to avoid that "oh **** just stop" automatic mental reaction. I probably hesitated a fraction longer than I should have, but it still went well and I never came to a complete stop.

The CL brake pad setup (RC6 / RC5+) was pretty amazing, I was thoroughly impressed with how consistent the pads were on-track, and how much easier they were to modulate than my previous (Carbotech). Not that I'm yet the world's best at braking, but these are gonna make my life easier.

I did develop some brake vibrations on the second day, but I was feeling it in the chassis and pedal more than the steering wheel for once, assumed it was the rear rotors going and just drove through it for the rest of the event.

I got my post-analysis finished up yesterday on the car, and yes that was it. I had switched to a new set of DBA4000's in the front, but still had a set of cheap Z1 rotors on the back that have been on since back when I was having other brake issues with vibration. Either they were damaged back then and it took a while to show up, or they're just not capable of handling the heat. Either way, who cares. The front (DBA4000) rotors checked out on the dial gauge (at multiple radius on both sides) to within .001 still, and thickness variation random samples were all within .001 as well, so those are still perfect post-event.

The rear (Z1) I only checked via dial gauge along the outside surface (since the shield covers the back), but even that was just all over the map around .006-ish variation, and often the sweep on that was pretty dramatic within a few inches. Ordered some DBA4K's for the rear to replace from kamispeed, and will check out the rear pads at that time and see if I need to clean them up (flatten em out a bit with a grinder) before re-bedding.

Next event is Mar 2/3 TDE at TWS in College Station. I've got a fresh set of Conti DW tires to go on the existing wheels, getting those mounted and balanced today. Other than that I'm just gonna get phunk's fuel starve kit (waiting here in a box) installed and probably not much else between now and March, although I may start ordering parts for the next phases of work to occur in mid-late March.

My phone was still down for datalogging purposes, so I didn't bother. I think I'm gonna put a Race Keeper in the car soon so I don't have to futz with phone stuff.

SPOHN · 02-05-2013, 07:14 AM

I know what you mean by shaking the rust off. I have my first track day of the year next Friday. Been awhile due to my crash last year. I'm a little worried. Hard to shake that off.

wstar · 02-05-2013, 10:22 AM

You'll be fine, just take it easy the first couple of sessions and feel out that grip all over again

wstar · 02-24-2013, 06:47 PM

Been busy on the car the past few days. Got CJM's fuel starve kit ( Fuel Starvation Control Product / 370z Road Race Fuel Pump ) installed. It's hard, but it could be worse

Working fine so far, but I could never reliably and safely trigger it on the street anyways, so we'll see at the next track event how it holds up as my fuel level drops. I probably won't go under half a tank or so because I still need the fuel weight in the rear for now, but I was starving at ~2-3 dots down from full before on certain track corners.

I also went ahead and pulled the trigger on some real datalogging, since I was tired of Android firmware bugs causing me to not record my events and losing out on all that data. So I got a Race Keeper and did the install on that as well. I went with the Black model, a single forward bullet-cam mounted to the front glass for now, the OBD-II interface, and of course the standard Mic, 10Hz GPS, and internal accelerometers. I've done a couple of short test vids on the street and it's working out fine so far. Install pic of the main unit here:

For now it's velcro'd to the top of the airbag controller and then ziptied for additional stability. Once I remove all the airbag hardware (which is waiting for when I go forward with the cage/seat plans), I'm going to reuse that airbag controller's 3x factory bolts to mount a nice little aluminum plate to screw down the Racekeeper to (with its anti-shock mounts) for even more stability and accuracy.

I'll be back at another TDE event at Texas World Speedway next weekend to try out both in real conditions.

wstar · 03-04-2013, 08:08 AM

Made it out to TWS this past weekend, had a blast. I'm still a little rusty, but I'm getting my confidence back stronger than it was at MSR-H in Jan. This is my first weekend at this track (other than like 4 laps a year ago when my brake problems first happened really badly). Since MSR-H in Jan, I've put on a fresh set of Conti DW tires, added the CJM fuel starve solution, and the RaceKeeper datalogger.

Brakes: My brakes are still juddering. Most likely there's just some physical issue with a caliper's alignment, or a sticking piston somewhere, or perhaps a caliper is flexed out? No idea, but it's clear to me that swapping out every related soft component still isn't fixing it in the long term. In any case, I was able to mostly put it out of mind since I know the car's holding together fine and it's a rotor getting chewed up or whatever.

RaceKeeper: I don't have the HD Video export (or multi-camera) yet, but regardless the video quality is less than stunning. It's fine for review/datalogging purposes, just doesn't look great for e.g. Youtube. With multiple cameras all on a single HD export in smaller frames, though, it's probably plenty enough resolution. Importantly the video is a lot more stable than using e.g. a phone. The OBD-II data came out nice, it's interesting to see a whole weekend of data graphed out with things like coolant temps, and to see how my intake air temp varies in different sections of the track. Their comparison features are also really awesome for seeing what you did different between two sessions/laps. In general I'm pretty happy with the system, and it's way less buggy and troublesome. Just jump in the car and hit the record button at the start of the session, pull out all the data later via USB stick.

CJM Fuel Thingy: Worked great. I was starving out on certain bad right-handers at over 3/4 full on the gauge before, and topping off between every session. This weekend I just filled up once each morning, and ran the car down to just under 1/4 tank by the end of each day. Never a single fuel hiccup

I uploaded most of my final session from Sunday to Youtube, shown below. The first few laps are the best part. Chased down a red 'vette, finally closed the gap when the other vette in front of him spun out, tailed him for a while, then he blew me away on the main banked straight, and then I reeled him right back in when we got back into the corners and he had to give me the pass

Had my fastest lap of the weekend right after that stuff, on Lap 5.

Most of the issues I see in the video/data here still basically comes down to confidence, which I need to keep building up with seat time. I do some light braking consistently before 3 specific corners on this track when really they need just a little lift to nose it over at best, and then I'm usually not back in the gas hard and fast enough to really track out all the way. It's all just about overcoming fear and becoming more confident in the car's (and my own) capabilities. Made a lot of progress learning the track in any case. My best lap of the first session of the weekend was 2:21.50, and my best lap below at the end of the weekend was 2:08.49

I think the real badasses in the higher rungroups all run somewhere in the neigborhood of 1:57 -> 2:02 -ish.

SPOHN · 03-04-2013, 11:26 AM

Great day it sounds like.

wstar · 03-22-2013, 07:46 PM

Bit the bullet and ordered a BBK, because I'm tired of trying to diagnose whatever keeps going wrong with my calipers or whatever the case may be. I went with Stillen's AP Racing kit (just the rotors, calipers, brackets, but not their pads and SS lines, which I'm sourcing separately because they don't offer what I want). I'm still waiting on pads to arrive, but I went ahead and tested fitment (I mean, you can hear things and measure things, but it's always nice to get a physical confirmation after the parts arrive), and everything fits perfectly.

The calipers are just amazing. By far the most well-built looking things I've ever seen. The bracket's pretty solid too, and everything's super light.

Pics:

Front Caliper + Bracket:

Testing fitment, just hand-tightening everything with no pads installed:

Test fit worked, but check out how small the clearance is on 18" Forgestar F-14's. If those wheel weights were stuck on an inch further to the inside, they'd rub the caliper:

I can't wait to put this on the car, but for now I'm held up while Essex orders some CL pads in the right shapes. Odds are good between that and me going out of town the first week of April, this stuff won't get installed until April 8th or later.

SPOHN · 03-22-2013, 07:50 PM

Awesome. I have the same kit on XP 10's

wstar · 03-22-2013, 07:58 PM

What are you running for rear pads?

I know on the stock setup I liked to bias the compounds a bit. I also really like the feel and bedding and whatnot on these CL-brand pads, but CL's low-end compound I was using in the rear (RC5+), they don't make it for the larger APRacing rear. And RC8 is just too aggressive given I'm still on street tires, I think, in the front. So I think my first pads experiment will be RC6 front and RC6E in the rear, which are only marginally different in bite/friction characteristics from each other:

If that doesn't work out (rear locking up too quick), then I may just have to go RC8 on the front and learn to use hardcore brakes on shitty street tires without hitting ABS all the time

SPOHN · 03-22-2013, 08:05 PM

XP 8's

Boost_lee · 03-22-2013, 09:23 PM

very nice!

11-11-2012, 02:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	Well, status update: I was supposed to be back at MSR-H this past weekend with TDE again, but I got cancelled by work at the last minute. We had a sudden service outage (I do techie stuff) that started around noon Thursday and I was basically chained to my keyboard at home working on it non-stop through early Saturday morning (then a brief sleep break and back on it until late Saturday night). I had been planning to not work much Friday and do my car prep and head out, was pretty pissed off at my job for making me miss the weekend. So... no real track test for the new brake setup yet. I will say though that my experience so far on the street (including some mildly track-y conditions testing out in the middle of nowhere in zero traffic) is that I love this CL RC6/RC5+ setup on the stock sport calipers. They seem to be basically self-maintaining on the rotor stuff as advertised, they're great at leveling out any unevenness in the rotor itself, the squeaking isn't too bad even after a lot of cold street driving, and the modulation is awesome. I think I was being fooled before by equating the Carbotechs' strong initial bite with being a "better" pad. These will clamp down just as hard when you lay your foot into the pedal, but you get so much easier modulation in the partial-pressure situations because the bite isn't so snappy. The release is more progressive as well. I think it's really going to help with my brake-to-maintenance-throttle transitions and working on trail braking. Next weekend I'm scheduled for is late January. In the meantime all car stuff is basically on hold while I work on other life upgrades that will further enable my car hobby: buying a new house with a 3 car garage and a DD truck so I can take this car permanently off the street and finish going all out on the car's setup. I may initially keep it stickered and still drive it to and from events, but eventually it will go on a trailer, hence the truck choice for the DD. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details Last edited by wstar; 11-11-2012 at 02:30 PM.

11-11-2012, 02:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 654	Sorry about missing the event, it sucks when work gets in the way like that. Happened to me last weekend fortunately I wasn't scheduled for any events. Glad you're digging the pads, you'll love them on the track I promise! Big thumbs up for planning to turn the Z into a track monster! __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

11-11-2012, 11:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	Yeah I'll take a look and see what I can squeeze in, in the meantime. I've still never been to Grandsport even once. Every single time I plan for it, something goes wrong :P __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

02-05-2013, 05:50 AM	#5 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	Belated random updates! Got the house and truck part nailed down. Now I have an acre of land in a unrestricted area and the Z has a 3-car garage all to itself, way out north of Houston close to Pinehurst, and I just picked up a used '05 Ford F-150 as a DD / tow-vehicle Made it to the TDE event at MSR-H for the weekend of Jan 26/27 a little over a week ago. It was my first event back since September, and I really had to shake some rust off. I think I picked a bad time in my development to be putting such huge gaps in the timeline, but that's life. So mostly I was just trying to get back up to where I was before all weekend. Mostly it went well. 2nd to last session Sunday was in very wet conditions, and my rear 295-width Conti DW's had already worn down pretty close to dead flat on tread by then. It was kinda hilarious. I had an instructor for this run. She jumped in the car at the grid and asked what my plans were for the session. I said something like "Hey it's wet and I've got almost no tread left, I'm just gonna take it easy and try not to spin", and then I proceeded to spin out on the first tight corner of the warmup lap. It came on outta nowhere without really feeling it give way first, and I corrected poorly. Luckily it was at very low speed and we just kinda drifted off track as we were spinning in slow motion and then drove back on when it was clear. It was still kinda stupid and embarrassing Had another related first-ever event: first time I've ever had another car spin out directly in front of me mid-corner. This was in the dry, and the car had just passed me on the previous straight and entered a bit off-line and aggressive. I made it around him, but it was tough to avoid that "oh **** just stop" automatic mental reaction. I probably hesitated a fraction longer than I should have, but it still went well and I never came to a complete stop. The CL brake pad setup (RC6 / RC5+) was pretty amazing, I was thoroughly impressed with how consistent the pads were on-track, and how much easier they were to modulate than my previous (Carbotech). Not that I'm yet the world's best at braking, but these are gonna make my life easier. I did develop some brake vibrations on the second day, but I was feeling it in the chassis and pedal more than the steering wheel for once, assumed it was the rear rotors going and just drove through it for the rest of the event. I got my post-analysis finished up yesterday on the car, and yes that was it. I had switched to a new set of DBA4000's in the front, but still had a set of cheap Z1 rotors on the back that have been on since back when I was having other brake issues with vibration. Either they were damaged back then and it took a while to show up, or they're just not capable of handling the heat. Either way, who cares. The front (DBA4000) rotors checked out on the dial gauge (at multiple radius on both sides) to within .001 still, and thickness variation random samples were all within .001 as well, so those are still perfect post-event. The rear (Z1) I only checked via dial gauge along the outside surface (since the shield covers the back), but even that was just all over the map around .006-ish variation, and often the sweep on that was pretty dramatic within a few inches. Ordered some DBA4K's for the rear to replace from kamispeed, and will check out the rear pads at that time and see if I need to clean them up (flatten em out a bit with a grinder) before re-bedding. Next event is Mar 2/3 TDE at TWS in College Station. I've got a fresh set of Conti DW tires to go on the existing wheels, getting those mounted and balanced today. Other than that I'm just gonna get phunk's fuel starve kit (waiting here in a box) installed and probably not much else between now and March, although I may start ordering parts for the next phases of work to occur in mid-late March. My phone was still down for datalogging purposes, so I didn't bother. I think I'm gonna put a Race Keeper in the car soon so I don't have to futz with phone stuff. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details Last edited by wstar; 02-05-2013 at 06:02 AM.

02-05-2013, 07:14 AM	#6 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 46 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 222	I know what you mean by shaking the rust off. I have my first track day of the year next Friday. Been awhile due to my crash last year. I'm a little worried. Hard to shake that off. __________________

11-11-2012, 10:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
VoBoy Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago/Houston Posts: 37 Drives: 06 350z Rep Power: 17	Hmmmm... there are a couple of grandsport speedway events and msrh race 4 charity coming up.... :P

02-05-2013, 10:22 AM	#7 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	You'll be fine, just take it easy the first couple of sessions and feel out that grip all over again __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

02-24-2013, 06:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	Been busy on the car the past few days. Got CJM's fuel starve kit ( Fuel Starvation Control Product / 370z Road Race Fuel Pump ) installed. It's hard, but it could be worse Working fine so far, but I could never reliably and safely trigger it on the street anyways, so we'll see at the next track event how it holds up as my fuel level drops. I probably won't go under half a tank or so because I still need the fuel weight in the rear for now, but I was starving at ~2-3 dots down from full before on certain track corners. I also went ahead and pulled the trigger on some real datalogging, since I was tired of Android firmware bugs causing me to not record my events and losing out on all that data. So I got a Race Keeper and did the install on that as well. I went with the Black model, a single forward bullet-cam mounted to the front glass for now, the OBD-II interface, and of course the standard Mic, 10Hz GPS, and internal accelerometers. I've done a couple of short test vids on the street and it's working out fine so far. Install pic of the main unit here: For now it's velcro'd to the top of the airbag controller and then ziptied for additional stability. Once I remove all the airbag hardware (which is waiting for when I go forward with the cage/seat plans), I'm going to reuse that airbag controller's 3x factory bolts to mount a nice little aluminum plate to screw down the Racekeeper to (with its anti-shock mounts) for even more stability and accuracy. I'll be back at another TDE event at Texas World Speedway next weekend to try out both in real conditions. Boost_lee and Mr&Mrs like this. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

03-04-2013, 08:08 AM	#9 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	Made it out to TWS this past weekend, had a blast. I'm still a little rusty, but I'm getting my confidence back stronger than it was at MSR-H in Jan. This is my first weekend at this track (other than like 4 laps a year ago when my brake problems first happened really badly). Since MSR-H in Jan, I've put on a fresh set of Conti DW tires, added the CJM fuel starve solution, and the RaceKeeper datalogger. Brakes: My brakes are still juddering. Most likely there's just some physical issue with a caliper's alignment, or a sticking piston somewhere, or perhaps a caliper is flexed out? No idea, but it's clear to me that swapping out every related soft component still isn't fixing it in the long term. In any case, I was able to mostly put it out of mind since I know the car's holding together fine and it's a rotor getting chewed up or whatever. RaceKeeper: I don't have the HD Video export (or multi-camera) yet, but regardless the video quality is less than stunning. It's fine for review/datalogging purposes, just doesn't look great for e.g. Youtube. With multiple cameras all on a single HD export in smaller frames, though, it's probably plenty enough resolution. Importantly the video is a lot more stable than using e.g. a phone. The OBD-II data came out nice, it's interesting to see a whole weekend of data graphed out with things like coolant temps, and to see how my intake air temp varies in different sections of the track. Their comparison features are also really awesome for seeing what you did different between two sessions/laps. In general I'm pretty happy with the system, and it's way less buggy and troublesome. Just jump in the car and hit the record button at the start of the session, pull out all the data later via USB stick. CJM Fuel Thingy: Worked great. I was starving out on certain bad right-handers at over 3/4 full on the gauge before, and topping off between every session. This weekend I just filled up once each morning, and ran the car down to just under 1/4 tank by the end of each day. Never a single fuel hiccup I uploaded most of my final session from Sunday to Youtube, shown below. The first few laps are the best part. Chased down a red 'vette, finally closed the gap when the other vette in front of him spun out, tailed him for a while, then he blew me away on the main banked straight, and then I reeled him right back in when we got back into the corners and he had to give me the pass Had my fastest lap of the weekend right after that stuff, on Lap 5. Most of the issues I see in the video/data here still basically comes down to confidence, which I need to keep building up with seat time. I do some light braking consistently before 3 specific corners on this track when really they need just a little lift to nose it over at best, and then I'm usually not back in the gas hard and fast enough to really track out all the way. It's all just about overcoming fear and becoming more confident in the car's (and my own) capabilities. Made a lot of progress learning the track in any case. My best lap of the first session of the weekend was 2:21.50, and my best lap below at the end of the weekend was 2:08.49 I think the real badasses in the higher rungroups all run somewhere in the neigborhood of 1:57 -> 2:02 -ish. travisjb and Mr&Mrs like this. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details Last edited by wstar; 03-04-2013 at 09:47 AM.

03-04-2013, 11:26 AM	#10 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 46 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 222	Great day it sounds like. __________________

03-22-2013, 07:46 PM	#11 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	Bit the bullet and ordered a BBK, because I'm tired of trying to diagnose whatever keeps going wrong with my calipers or whatever the case may be. I went with Stillen's AP Racing kit (just the rotors, calipers, brackets, but not their pads and SS lines, which I'm sourcing separately because they don't offer what I want). I'm still waiting on pads to arrive, but I went ahead and tested fitment (I mean, you can hear things and measure things, but it's always nice to get a physical confirmation after the parts arrive), and everything fits perfectly. The calipers are just amazing. By far the most well-built looking things I've ever seen. The bracket's pretty solid too, and everything's super light. Pics: Front Caliper + Bracket: Testing fitment, just hand-tightening everything with no pads installed: Test fit worked, but check out how small the clearance is on 18" Forgestar F-14's. If those wheel weights were stuck on an inch further to the inside, they'd rub the caliper: I can't wait to put this on the car, but for now I'm held up while Essex orders some CL pads in the right shapes. Odds are good between that and me going out of town the first week of April, this stuff won't get installed until April 8th or later. VDC_OFF likes this. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

03-22-2013, 07:50 PM	#12 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 46 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 222	Awesome. I have the same kit on XP 10's __________________

03-22-2013, 07:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	What are you running for rear pads? I know on the stock setup I liked to bias the compounds a bit. I also really like the feel and bedding and whatnot on these CL-brand pads, but CL's low-end compound I was using in the rear (RC5+), they don't make it for the larger APRacing rear. And RC8 is just too aggressive given I'm still on street tires, I think, in the front. So I think my first pads experiment will be RC6 front and RC6E in the rear, which are only marginally different in bite/friction characteristics from each other: If that doesn't work out (rear locking up too quick), then I may just have to go RC8 on the front and learn to use hardcore brakes on shitty street tires without hitting ABS all the time __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

03-22-2013, 08:05 PM	#14 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 46 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 222	XP 8's __________________

03-22-2013, 09:23 PM	#15 (permalink)
Boost_lee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SATX Posts: 2,813 Drives: 09 370Z TT 6MT Rep Power: 30	very nice! __________________ My TT Z

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