RCZ's 370Z Journal.

RCZ · 05-12-2009, 12:05 PM

Going mostly handling specific mods from here on. I don't think I'll be getting a SC anytime soon. I like the amount of power the car has right now, it works well for the track. Adding TT or SC will bring reliability down a lot and I don't want that.

Mods? Too many to list.

wstar · 05-12-2009, 12:19 PM

I'm definitely not doing TT, but I may eventually put a light SC in down the road. It really depends what the kits end up looking like (and no, I don't mean how fashionable). Probably this winter at the earliest though. For now I just want to get a proper tune now that all my basic power mods are in place (hi UpRev, I'm looking at you!), and start working on weight/handling/wheels/tires/brakes issues.

miguez · 05-12-2009, 01:42 PM

Hey wstar,

Why no TT, just no need for that much power? Price?

Robert Z · 05-12-2009, 01:48 PM

HEY WHO'S DOING YOUR WORK, LOOKING FOR SOMEONE IN THE AREA THAT'S GOOD...

semtex · 05-12-2009, 02:04 PM

I think wstar has been doing his own installs.

Why are you yelling?

(I'm just poking fun)

theDreamer · 05-12-2009, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex

I think wstar has been doing his own installs.

Why are you yelling?

(I'm just poking fun)

LOUD NOISES!!!

wstar · 05-12-2009, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miguez

Hey wstar,

Why no TT, just no need for that much power? Price?

TT will give the maximum peak horsepower, but the drawbacks from my point of view are:

1) Very complicated compared to NA or SC. Lots more parts, a lot more to monitor and tweak, a lot more little things can fail over time, engine bay a whole lot more crowded, etc.

2) Probably makes more power than I really need if I get a big kit, and a small TT kit is probably within range of an SC's power increase anyways.

3) Turbo Lag. Doesn't matter going for max highway speed or dyno runs, but that's not my focus. I'm just not a fan of the way a TT car feels/responds when trying to finesse a car through corners in traffic and such. SC is more consistent and smooth in this regard.

Everyone has different priorities though, and for some TT might be just what they're looking for. For me, I'll either stay NA or go SC, depending on how relatively cheap/simple/reliable the vendor(s) can make the SC kits.

Edit: and yes, I've done all my own work so far. Nobody has turned a wrench on my car but me [well, me and a couple friends in the case of the header install], although I did have to go to an exhaust guy over the crossmember clearance issue, but he didn't turn wrenches, he just lit up a torch and got out a hammer. One thing I'll definitely be using someone else for is mounting/balancing tires, and setting up my alignment. Oh and having some custom stuff fabbed for the trunk (to give me more cargo room with the spare/sub gone and fit over my battery box, etc). Beyond that though, I'm going to try to do it all myself.

miguez · 05-12-2009, 05:06 PM

Exactly the kind of reply I was looking for, wstar, thanks! I never drove turbos, so I was looking for some different perspectives.

RCZ · 05-12-2009, 08:23 PM

What he said!

Plus "Plans" added to first post.

imag · 05-12-2009, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miguez

Exactly the kind of reply I was looking for, wstar, thanks! I never drove turbos, so I was looking for some different perspectives.

Spend the turbo money on track time - you'll have way more fun *and* be much faster...

westpak · 05-12-2009, 10:08 PM

but "twin turbo" sounds way cooler than supercharger LOL

Some of the concerns are real, lag is not one of them, but when it kicks in it is harder than a sc so it does take some maneuvering to keep it straight

but the main thing is to keep it simple if tracking is the main focus of the car, a TT will add more things to worry about breaking as well as more heat to break things.

semtex · 05-13-2009, 09:35 AM

What do you guys think of NOS? I had it on a Maxima years ago, and it was a blast (no pun intended). What I liked about it is that you only used it when you wanted to have a little fun; it wasn't always on the way a supercharger or turbo is. On the down side, getting bottles refilled can be a bit of a pain. I ended up taking the NOS out and putting a supercharger in, and ended up regretting that move. Yeah, it was nice to have boost always available, but it complicated matters and I started to have reliability issues. In fact, it was such a bad experience that it kinda turned me off from doing FI ever again (unless a car comes from the factory FI). I kinda think putting NOS on the 370Z would be fun though.

ChrisSlicks · 05-13-2009, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex

What do you guys think of NOS? I had it on a Maxima years ago, and it was a blast (no pun intended). What I liked about it is that you only used it when you wanted to have a little fun; it wasn't always on the way a supercharger or turbo is. On the down side, getting bottles refilled can be a bit of a pain. I ended up taking the NOS out and putting a supercharger in, and ended up regretting that move. Yeah, it was nice to have boost always available, but it complicated matters and I started to have reliability issues. In fact, it was such a bad experience that it kinda turned me off from doing FI ever again (unless a car comes from the factory FI). I kinda think putting NOS on the 370Z would be fun though.

I think for some it makes sense. It's an cheap and easy way to make extra horsepower for a straight line run at the drag strip or what have you.

For the track junkies it isn't an option to even have in the car as it is typically banned. I guess you could have the setup and remove the bottle for track days but it's just another complication to getting the car ready for the track.

MightyBobo · 05-13-2009, 10:17 AM

I think calling it NOS is a bad thing, thats what I think

Its the cheapest power per dollar upgrade you can get, and can be very reliable with the right precautions in place (window switch, fuel pressure safety switch). Although, reliability issues with a supercharger? Did you install yourself? S/C's are generally very reliable, particularly if you aren't running some obscene amount that pushes the car past its limits...

wstar · 05-13-2009, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MightyBobo

I think calling it NOS is a bad thing, thats what I think

I think it's because most people can't figure out how to type N₂O on their keyboards

Quote:

Its the cheapest power per dollar upgrade you can get, and can be very reliable with the right precautions in place (window switch, fuel pressure safety switch). Although, reliability issues with a supercharger? Did you install yourself? S/C's are generally very reliable, particularly if you aren't running some obscene amount that pushes the car past its limits...

Yeah personally I'd feel better reliability-wise with an SC than the N₂O, but I have limited experience with all of this (never on my own cars, just friends' cars). Whether I do any of the above is highly dependent on who makes the kits and how I feel about them after they're released (and even then, maybe after some testing by others).

05-12-2009, 12:19 PM	#122 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	I'm definitely not doing TT, but I may eventually put a light SC in down the road. It really depends what the kits end up looking like (and no, I don't mean how fashionable). Probably this winter at the earliest though. For now I just want to get a proper tune now that all my basic power mods are in place (hi UpRev, I'm looking at you!), and start working on weight/handling/wheels/tires/brakes issues. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

05-12-2009, 01:48 PM	#124 (permalink)
Robert Z Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: cooper city, fl Posts: 39 Drives: 09 370 PEARL WHITE Rep Power: 16	Install HEY WHO'S DOING YOUR WORK, LOOKING FOR SOMEONE IN THE AREA THAT'S GOOD...

05-12-2009, 02:04 PM	#125 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	I think wstar has been doing his own installs. Why are you yelling? (I'm just poking fun) __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

05-12-2009, 10:08 PM	#131 (permalink)
westpak Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lake Worth, FL Posts: 405 Drives: 2003 350Z DB Rep Power: 16	but "twin turbo" sounds way cooler than supercharger LOL Some of the concerns are real, lag is not one of them, but when it kicks in it is harder than a sc so it does take some maneuvering to keep it straight but the main thing is to keep it simple if tracking is the main focus of the car, a TT will add more things to worry about breaking as well as more heat to break things. __________________ 03 350Z 587 RWHP - May 2009 Dsport Feature

05-13-2009, 09:35 AM	#132 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	What do you guys think of NOS? I had it on a Maxima years ago, and it was a blast (no pun intended). What I liked about it is that you only used it when you wanted to have a little fun; it wasn't always on the way a supercharger or turbo is. On the down side, getting bottles refilled can be a bit of a pain. I ended up taking the NOS out and putting a supercharger in, and ended up regretting that move. Yeah, it was nice to have boost always available, but it complicated matters and I started to have reliability issues. In fact, it was such a bad experience that it kinda turned me off from doing FI ever again (unless a car comes from the factory FI). I kinda think putting NOS on the 370Z would be fun though. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

05-12-2009, 12:05 PM	#121 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118	Going mostly handling specific mods from here on. I don't think I'll be getting a SC anytime soon. I like the amount of power the car has right now, it works well for the track. Adding TT or SC will bring reliability down a lot and I don't want that. Mods? Too many to list.

05-12-2009, 01:42 PM	#123 (permalink)
miguez Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 359 Drives: '04 Cavalier Rep Power: 181	Hey wstar, Why no TT, just no need for that much power? Price?

05-12-2009, 05:06 PM	#128 (permalink)
miguez Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 359 Drives: '04 Cavalier Rep Power: 181	Exactly the kind of reply I was looking for, wstar, thanks! I never drove turbos, so I was looking for some different perspectives.

05-12-2009, 08:23 PM	#129 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118	What he said! Plus "Plans" added to first post.

05-13-2009, 10:17 AM	#134 (permalink)
MightyBobo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 8,465 Drives: No cars; only bikes Rep Power: 52	I think calling it NOS is a bad thing, thats what I think Its the cheapest power per dollar upgrade you can get, and can be very reliable with the right precautions in place (window switch, fuel pressure safety switch). Although, reliability issues with a supercharger? Did you install yourself? S/C's are generally very reliable, particularly if you aren't running some obscene amount that pushes the car past its limits... __________________ I don't own a car anymore.

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