M.Bonanni's 370Z Project "Born Again"

ChrisSlicks · 04-19-2010, 05:21 PM

Sucks about the starter, at least it didn't fall off completely while you were on track. That would have really sucked!

About the only thing I could see to make the AE cooler better in terms of cooling would be larger lines. This core has roughly the same surface area as the 34 row Nismo cooler but it has half the pressure drop due to having shorter rows. This would dictate that oil has the capacity to flow through the cooler much faster but I think the -8 lines (0.44" ID) are restricting the flow rate slightly. -10 (.565") or -12 (.690") would potentially give higher flow rates and perhaps better cooling when things get extreme as they have twice the internal volume allowing more oil to flow assuming no other restrictions.

M.Bonanni · 04-19-2010, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

Sucks about the starter, at least it didn't fall off completely while you were on track. That would have really sucked!

About the only thing I could see to make the AE cooler better in terms of cooling would be larger lines. This core has roughly the same surface area as the 34 row Nismo cooler but it has half the pressure drop due to having shorter rows. This would dictate that oil has the capacity to flow through the cooler much faster but I think the -8 lines (0.44" ID) are restricting the flow rate slightly. -10 (.565") or -12 (.690") would potentially give higher flow rates and perhaps better cooling when things get extreme as they have twice the internal volume allowing more oil to flow assuming no other restrictions.

I think for a kit that is produced for the mass market they hit it dead on. Like I said, for 95% of the drivers, tracks, seasons, etc. it would be plenty, while still letting the oil warm up enough for normal street driving. Now bigger lines and a thermostatic sandwich plate might be the ultimate setup, but then people will complain even more about price.

ChrisSlicks · 04-19-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by M.Bonanni

I think for a kit that is produced for the mass market they hit it dead on. Like I said, for 95% of the drivers, tracks, seasons, etc. it would be plenty, while still letting the oil warm up enough for normal street driving. Now bigger lines and a thermostatic sandwich plate might be the ultimate setup, but then people will complain even more about price.

Let the mass market buy the Stillen kit. Build this one for racing!

Paul@AEperformance · 04-19-2010, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

Let the mass market buy the Stillen kit. Build this one for racing!

LOL, Thats mostly the approach we take on all of our products. Unfortunately it gets $$ for the masses.

Most of our products are geared toward, Porsche, BMW, GTR customers so we try to keep the same quality across the map yet keep it as $$ conscious as possible for our 1k customers to our 50k customers.

On our car we ran larger lines, but we had a bit too much pressure drop, and it took much longer for the car to heat up on the street. Also overall pressure was a bit too low for our comfort w/ the stock oil pump. The -8's corrected this issue without much sacrifice in high temp cooling.

It's the same set-up we run our our Porsche cup cars.

vipor · 04-19-2010, 11:07 PM

I run -10 on my smaller cooler, but I guess that's the tradeoff. Thanks for the 'splainin Paul.

ZForce · 04-20-2010, 12:10 AM

Mike, Paul, Chris thx for the info on the oil cooler.

LiquidZ · 04-21-2010, 08:22 AM

Mike, at what oil temp do you hover at during normal street driving?

PS thanks for the review.

M.Bonanni · 04-21-2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ

Mike, at what oil temp do you hover at during normal street driving?

PS thanks for the review.

I actually haven't driven it on the street for more than 15 minutes at a time since putting the cooler on and its just getting to around 170-180 at that point.

370Zsteve · 04-21-2010, 10:02 AM

Mike, you hit ice mode?

What brake setup are you using again?

M.Bonanni · 04-21-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Mike, you hit ice mode?

What brake setup are you using again?

Yes I did. Stock Akebonos with Motul RBF600 fluid, Carbotech XP10/XP8 pads, and Stoptech slotted front rotors.

370Zsteve · 04-21-2010, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by M.Bonanni

Yes I did. Stock Akebonos with Motul RBF600 fluid, Carbotech XP10/XP8 pads, and Stoptech slotted front rotors.

WTF???, the only thing you have in common with stock is the rotors? Damn!

edit: I wish Nissan Corp had the nuts to answer Car & Driver on that issue.

travisjb · 05-06-2010, 03:19 PM

I'm using Motul gear oil with the Carbonetic and all is fine

M.Bonanni · 05-06-2010, 03:40 PM

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I'm using Motul gear oil with the Carbonetic and all is fine

I thought you had used Motul when you first got it, but it made it really noisy?

travisjb · 05-06-2010, 08:48 PM

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I thought you had used Motul when you first got it, but it made it really noisy?

thin stuff for break in and then switched to thick stuff, and noise was eliminated

dlmartin81 · 05-06-2010, 07:38 PM

I take it that you and the BERK team are doing good this season?

04-19-2010, 05:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 654	Sucks about the starter, at least it didn't fall off completely while you were on track. That would have really sucked! About the only thing I could see to make the AE cooler better in terms of cooling would be larger lines. This core has roughly the same surface area as the 34 row Nismo cooler but it has half the pressure drop due to having shorter rows. This would dictate that oil has the capacity to flow through the cooler much faster but I think the -8 lines (0.44" ID) are restricting the flow rate slightly. -10 (.565") or -12 (.690") would potentially give higher flow rates and perhaps better cooling when things get extreme as they have twice the internal volume allowing more oil to flow assuming no other restrictions. __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

04-19-2010, 11:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 42 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 49	I run -10 on my smaller cooler, but I guess that's the tradeoff. Thanks for the 'splainin Paul. __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

04-21-2010, 08:22 AM	#7 (permalink)
LiquidZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,940 Drives: Mag. Black 2009 370Z Rep Power: 705	Mike, at what oil temp do you hover at during normal street driving? PS thanks for the review. __________________

04-21-2010, 10:02 AM	#9 (permalink)
370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 43	Mike, you hit ice mode? What brake setup are you using again? __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.

05-06-2010, 03:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 189	I'm using Motul gear oil with the Carbonetic and all is fine __________________ 2009 370Z #104 For Sale

04-20-2010, 12:10 AM	#6 (permalink)
ZForce A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Roseville, CA Posts: 2,359 Drives: 09 370Z Tour + Sport Rep Power: 21	Mike, Paul, Chris thx for the info on the oil cooler.

05-06-2010, 07:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
dlmartin81 Track Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Chalfont, PA Age: 43 Posts: 923 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 608	I take it that you and the BERK team are doing good this season? __________________ Dan F.I. SS CBE 18-R \|\| Llumar 40% tint