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dmhenderson 06-12-2013 08:18 PM

From what I understand, the Z has the same issue big 'vette builds do in terms of launch under high torque. We'll have to wait and see.

b1adesofcha0s 06-12-2013 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2360472)
This is true but its all about driver control. And 90% of the FI guys seem to drag and not track so from a stand still the Z sucks. But Ecutek will change a lot of that with LC and TC.

Werd. TC will be even more important/helpful if you're gonna track it.

MyKindaGuise 06-12-2013 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2360476)
My directive to GTM was 500-550 so we'll see when it goes in I guess. New wheels may be a thing I have to do eventually but I'm avoiding it if at all possible

Why? I assume you want heavier?

MyKindaGuise 06-12-2013 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 2360482)
Werd. TC will be even more important/helpful if you're gonna track it.

This is true but its not all about having your foot mashed to the floor. But ecutek should have that out soon as well as boost by gear and torque by gear which will be a game changer. I saw they just developed boost off the line control for the GTR...

shadoquad 06-12-2013 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2360479)
From what I understand, the Z has the same issue big 'vette builds do in terms of launch under high torque. We'll have to wait and see.

Yeah, the z and vette are very similar in terms of driving dynamics. I could see that.

XwChriswX 06-12-2013 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2360491)
This is true but its not all about having your foot mashed to the floor. But ecutek should have that out soon as well as boost by gear and torque by gear which will be a game changer. I saw they just developed boost off the line control for the GTR...

These features they're trying to market off of the GTR are all well and good. But at the end of the day, we don't drive a GTR, we don't have the GTR powerplant, and we don't have the GTR drivetrain. :ugh2:


I just hope people don't get let down when their car doesn't act like a GTR after having all of these "GTR like" tuning features.

b1adesofcha0s 06-12-2013 08:26 PM

I just wish the 370Z was more like the 700Z :icon17:

dmhenderson 06-12-2013 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2360483)
Why? I assume you want heavier?

Because I kinda blew my car budget on the supercharger, supporting mods and install and a new set of nice wheels (volks/advans/vossens) + tires is going to run me at least +2-3k assuming I sell my old wheels and I really like those wheels.

MyKindaGuise 06-12-2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2360495)
These features they're trying to market off of the GTR are all well and good. But at the end of the day, we don't drive a GTR, we don't have the GTR powerplant, and we don't have the GTR drivetrain. :ugh2:


I just hope people don't get let down when their car doesn't act like a GTR after having all of these "GTR like" tuning features.

No we don't but it all trickles down. Why not take super car features and add them to a Z? Supercar like Z sounds pretty nice. Add boost and have the stability to go with it. Sounds like a winner. Ecutek is a huge platform though. Everything they learn from the other markets usually gets shared across the board. Its not like Uprev. They have a huge support base of cars. Hopefully it grows well into the vq market.

XwChriswX 06-12-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 2360509)
No we don't but it all trickles down. Why not take super car features and add them to a Z? Supercar like Z sounds pretty nice. Add boost and have the stability to go with it. Sounds like a winner. Ecutek is a huge platform though. Everything they learn from the other markets usually gets shared across the board. Its not like Uprev. They have a huge support base of cars. Hopefully it grows well into the vq market.

I understand the good sides, but I don't think people are being realistic in what they can expect from an NA Z.

Having LC isn't going to make your Z jump off the line like a GTR. :icon14:

dmhenderson 06-12-2013 08:32 PM

I'll consider switching if the price comes down dramatically. Seeing as I already have an uprev license, it would take a lot for me to switch at this point.

XwChriswX 06-12-2013 08:33 PM

For anyone that doesn't have pulleys yet, and has been considering them:

http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...ml#post2360465

:tup:

dmhenderson 06-12-2013 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2360515)
For anyone that doesn't have pulleys yet, and has been considering them:

http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...ml#post2360465

:tup:

They don't have a flavor for supercharged builds yet unfortunately.

XwChriswX 06-12-2013 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2360546)
They don't have a flavor for supercharged builds yet unfortunately.

Does your crank pulley size change in an SC build?? :ugh2:

dmhenderson 06-12-2013 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2360549)
Does your crank pulley size change in an SC build?? :ugh2:

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2346389)
I jumped on the 2011 group buy, if you ever make a lightened stock sized unit for supercharged applications, I'll throw money at you :)

I think he has the same kit I will so...

dmhenderson 06-12-2013 08:57 PM

Ok re-reading that I think he meant a more "specialized" version of the pulleys he already has but like I said, budget = blown for now. I'll add these to the list.

XwChriswX 06-12-2013 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2360553)
I think he has the same kit I will so...

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson (Post 2360556)
Ok re-reading that I think he meant a more "specialized" version of the pulleys he already has but like I said, budget = blown for now. I'll add these to the list.

Even if you went with one of these, the difference in size of the pulley would only effect the Belt size. The # of Rotations would be the same wouldn't it for the SC pulley?

dmhenderson 06-12-2013 10:45 PM

So base HP boost but would not affect the supercharger I guess. I dunno. Again, it's on the list but there are other things I need to do first.

MightyBobo 06-12-2013 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2360570)
Even if you went with one of these, the difference in size of the pulley would only effect the Belt size. The # of Rotations would be the same wouldn't it for the SC pulley?

Assuming it's the crank pulley you're talking about changing, yes, it'd affect the SC. Smaller crank pulley = less rotations of the belt. He'd need to go to a different SC pulley to get to the "same" amount of rotations.

XwChriswX 06-12-2013 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2360708)
Assuming it's the crank pulley you're talking about changing, yes, it'd affect the SC. Smaller crank pulley = less rotations of the belt. He'd need to go to a different SC pulley to get to the "same" amount of rotations.

But if he just gets a lightweight pulley, not an underdriven pulley, he would be okay correct?


However paired with the Overdriven Alternator pulley, thats matched with the Underdriven Crank pulley, do those not cancel out making the final belt length the same? Just shifting some of the mass to the Alternator instead? I thought that was the point? :confused:

MightyBobo 06-12-2013 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2360720)
But if he just gets a lightweight pulley, not an underdriven pulley, he would be okay correct?


However paired with the Overdriven Alternator pulley, thats matched with the Underdriven Crank pulley, do those not cancel out making the final belt length the same? Just shifting some of the mass to the Alternator instead? I thought that was the point? :confused:

Yes, assuming no diameters change, he'd be fine.

But the worthiness of a lightweight pulley is, likely, almost nil...lol. Generally the purpose of swapping to an underdrive pulley is to reduce the amount of energy sent to your accessories.....so why would you then put an OVERDRIVE pulley on your alternator?

m4a1mustang 06-12-2013 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2360734)
Yes, assuming no diameters change, he'd be fine.

But the worthiness of a lightweight pulley is, likely, almost nil...lol. Generally the purpose of swapping to an underdrive pulley is to reduce the amount of energy sent to your accessories.....so why would you then put an OVERDRIVE pulley on your alternator?

Because... shiny?

XwChriswX 06-12-2013 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2360734)
Yes, assuming no diameters change, he'd be fine.

But the worthiness of a lightweight pulley is, likely, almost nil...lol. Generally the purpose of swapping to an underdrive pulley is to reduce the amount of energy sent to your accessories.....so why would you then put an OVERDRIVE pulley on your alternator?

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The NST Kit includes a 10% Underdrive Crank Pulley along with a 10% Overdrive (faster) Alternator Pulley. This means that the alternator will run at OEM speeds when the NST kit is used. Extra power, torque, and response... no need to worry about a weak battery, dimming lights, or poor a/c performance at idle
From NST, basically, the differences of one pulley are canceled out by the other right? So there's no harm from installing them...

I just posted it in case anyone was thinking about it/on the fence. Especially now that for the GB, they'll offer more colors... Not for the debate of the worthiness of pulleys. :ugh2:

MightyBobo 06-12-2013 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2360737)
Because... shiny?

Then yes...get ALL THE PULLEYS REPLACED

MightyBobo 06-12-2013 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2360738)
From NST, basically, the differences of one pulley are canceled out by the other right? So there's no harm from installing them...

I just posted it in case anyone was thinking about it/on the fence. Especially now that for the GB, they'll offer more colors... Not for the debate of the worthiness of pulleys. :ugh2:

Correct, assuming the total distance the pulley needs to travel is the same, it wouldn't matter.

But, it's also be a big waste of money to simply get colored pulleys lol

b1adesofcha0s 06-12-2013 11:27 PM

I got something that needs to be pully'd :yum:

XwChriswX 06-12-2013 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2360741)
Correct, assuming the total distance the pulley needs to travel is the same, it wouldn't matter.

But, it's also be a big waste of money to simply get colored pulleys lol

Yet another thing I wasted money on my car... of course. :ugh2:

Whats the total up to now? 5, 6... Everything I've done.

Of course, how could I forget. :facepalm:

m4a1mustang 06-12-2013 11:32 PM

Should have asked first :p

b1adesofcha0s 06-12-2013 11:33 PM

The council knows all......

m4a1mustang 06-12-2013 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 2360749)
The council knows all......

Now what do you need me to pull? :yum:

XwChriswX 06-12-2013 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2360746)
Should have asked first :p

There was no one in AZ to ask.

m4a1mustang 06-12-2013 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2360751)
There was no one in AZ to ask.

Do they have the internet in AZ? :p

XwChriswX 06-12-2013 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2360752)
Do they have the internet in AZ? :p

This was in 2010, the forum wasn't as active and populated as it is now. Wasn't as many people to turn to for advice. So I did the best I could with what I had... :ugh2:

MightyBobo 06-12-2013 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2360744)
Yet another thing I wasted money on my car... of course. :ugh2:

Whats the total up to now? 5, 6... Everything I've done.

Of course, how could I forget. :facepalm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxauqa7rJgI

I didn't even know you had pulleys, btw

XwChriswX 06-12-2013 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2360754)
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I didn't even know you had pulleys, btw

It's okay, even if you did, it wouldn't change your stance on it's something else I shouldn't have done.

m4a1mustang 06-12-2013 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2360755)
It's okay, even if you did, it wouldn't change your stance on it's something else I shouldn't have done.

Not like you would take his advice anyways. :icon17:

b1adesofcha0s 06-12-2013 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2360750)
Now what do you need me to pull? :yum:

Oh I think you know the answer to that one......

m4a1mustang 06-12-2013 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 2360757)
Oh I think you know the answer to that one......

Giggity.

MightyBobo 06-12-2013 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2360756)
Not like you would take his advice anyways. :icon17:

I don't give advice, I just talk trash and crash into walls :|

Also, I poop. Sometimes.

XwChriswX 06-12-2013 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2360756)
Not like you would take his advice anyways. :icon17:

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2360760)
I don't give advice, I just talk trash and crash into walls :|

Also, I poop. Sometimes.

I've listened to/followed all the advice he's given since I've had the chance to enjoy him in person.

Of course, the advice I get is that everything I want to do/have done is wrong. :icon17:


So I essentially have to start over again.


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