MAZOC Karting Challenge 27 April (Sat.)

XwChriswX

So we can conclude their Black Flag rules are worthless, and the "Time out" pow pow we got was also equally ridiculous.

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Masa

Yeah I never got why they would black flag drivers who spun out. Mistakes happen and the spin already cost them time/position.

Black flag should only be used if driver is being overly aggressive/dangerous to other drivers not to ones who spin out by themselves not causing harm to the other racers.

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XwChriswX

Agreed. I spun out because I braked to PREVENT hitting bobo. And I get black flagged.

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MightyBobo

I disagree, especially in your situation. Tough love here, however: imagine it was you in your 370Z pulling like a freight train on a little Miata and you SLAM on your brakes to "prevent hitting them". You're going to have an off-track adventure likely, and/or wreck INTO said Miata. And that is entirely your fault.

Karting not only teaches good car control, but it also teaches you safe practices for REAL racing. Plowing into a corner like that is an unsafe practice, and I'd expect to be punished suitably for endangering myself and the driver in front of me.

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m4a1mustang

Translation: Next time Bobo backs the corner up more than you like, pull out and make him :dealwithit: as you steal his apex.

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MightyBobo

Hahaha. DIVE BOMB THAT BEOTCH

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m4a1mustang

Pretty much.

Like I said earlier, be ruthless. Be as clean as you efficiently can.

And always remember, 8 tires are better than 4.

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XwChriswX

I'mma put that as my "Racer Name" next time.

And this is where the different realm comes into play. I wouldn't drive the same with my car as I do out there because I don't know the limits of my car. With these, it is much easier to know the limits. And I do for the most part. That was a timing crunch, and the only "mistake" I made was actually touching the brake.

Because I was trying to pass you, I didn't take the turn as wide as I normally would because you were there, and the slower cars were there.

But even still, the black flag was used way too much.

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MightyBobo

Precisely. And you met and exceeded the limits of the kart, so this really is the same as an off-track excursion doing the real deal. In that situation, you'd be made to come back in to the pits, too. So I feel the black flag in this situation is appropriate.

Now, I don't know what others were getting flagged for - I'd love to see footage from someone who DID get flagged, like Josh, but he had no camera. I CAN tell you, however, that I was driving quite aggressively in my traffic management, and I never even got a hint of a black flag, so aggressive driving wasn't it. I never once bumped another car, nor did I ever lose control of my car.

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XwChriswX

The problem with Indoor tracks is they will most likely be Electric karts, and although its 100% torque instantly, tracks are usually shorter, cars are OFTEN governed, and the weight factors you fatties are complaining about, is even More prevalent. But I'd still be up for going.

Ok, well then why didn't I get black flagged when I couldn't avoid hitting Dana when she spun out? I actually made contact with another car that time... Hmmm

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m4a1mustang

I'm sure they deemed that unavoidable contact.

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XwChriswX

It was just bad. That's all.

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MightyBobo

That is a bit different. She spun, you didnt. I was following a steady, relatively predictable line, and you spun out behind me trying to do an early turn-in to overtake me. If there's one VERY dangerous move to do in racing, it's a hot, early turn-in.

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XwChriswX

I was following your line, we got to the traffic sooner than expected. I wasn't going to cut in on you when we already had traffic to get around.

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StangerGT

The flags for people spinning... mostly all around me...

I just so happened to be in the cluster of people so they kept pointing me in.

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