MAZOC Karting Challenge 27 April (Sat.)

Z Stig · 04-30-2013, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Is everyone there to post competitive times, or is anyone just going for fun?

A little of both for me.

chieuxuan · 04-30-2013, 06:17 PM

I was just having fun and two times champion of the black flag

Masa · 04-30-2013, 06:18 PM

2nd place is the first loser :|

shadoquad · 04-30-2013, 06:22 PM

Fair enough. Glad I didn't go.

Masa · 04-30-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Fair enough. Glad I didn't go.

I was kidding.

m4a1mustang · 04-30-2013, 06:29 PM

Yeah it was all about fun first and actually finishing position second.

MightyBobo · 04-30-2013, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Yeah it was all about fun first and actually finishing position second.

This. However, is a tremendous learning opportunity, too.

Sent from my Galaxy S3

aniceh · 04-30-2013, 08:25 PM

Thanks, guys. I'd love to talk with you about your experiences at the next meet.

MightyBobo · 04-30-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by aniceh

Thanks, guys. I'd love to talk with you about your experiences at the next meet.

Driving a car fast is an extremely unforgiving art. Professionals make it look so easy, but the level they are performing at is the equivalent of a jogger versus an Olympic runner. The absolute worst place to find the limit is on the street - you're thinking a bit backwards as far as being "comfortable" in your car. It's the opposite: you go out with a professional to learn your own car, and then on the STREET you will be more comfortable.

So, my recommendation? Try a little AutoX or two. Then move up to HPDE.

aniceh · 04-30-2013, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Driving a car fast is an extremely unforgiving art. Professionals make it look so easy, but the level they are performing at is the equivalent of a jogger versus an Olympic runner. The absolute worst place to find the limit is on the street - you're thinking a bit backwards as far as being "comfortable" in your car. It's the opposite: you go out with a professional to learn your own car, and then on the STREET you will be more comfortable.

So, my recommendation? Try a little AutoX or two. Then move up to HPDE.

Trust me, I know it's a technical skill that takes practice to master. I make no such mistake of thinking that it's as easy as the pros can make it look. The main problem that I've run into is that there are differing schools of thought on how best to approach the learning process, and everyone is completely in the tank for their own. I have no preconceived notions, or extreme loyalties, I just want to be smart.

shadoquad · 04-30-2013, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by aniceh

Trust me, I know it's a technical skill that takes practice to master. I make no such mistake of thinking that it's as easy as the pros can make it look. The main problem that I've run into is that there are differing schools of thought on how best to approach the learning process, and everyone is completely in the tank for their own. I have no preconceived notions, or extreme loyalties, I just want to be smart.

The answer is, any one of these methods will teach you something. There is no wrong answer. You can even learn things in a public place without endangering folks. There are many lessons to learn

MightyBobo · 04-30-2013, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

The answer is, any one of these methods will teach you something. There is no wrong answer. You can even learn things in a public place without endangering folks. There are many lessons to learn

This is true.

Just depends on what you want to "learn". For instance, oversteer/countersteer is NOT something you want to really practice on a narrow, tree-lined road. But, you COULD practice "finding the line" at almost any speed. I ALWAYS do that when taking on and off ramps, personally.

Z Stig · 04-30-2013, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Driving a car fast is an extremely unforgiving art. Professionals make it look so easy, but the level they are performing at is the equivalent of a jogger versus an Olympic runner. The absolute worst place to find the limit is on the street - you're thinking a bit backwards as far as being "comfortable" in your car. It's the opposite: you go out with a professional to learn your own car, and then on the STREET you will be more comfortable.

So, my recommendation? Try a little AutoX or two. Then move up to HPDE.

AutoX can be a good learning environment, as it is usually flat and you have time to come to a stop and regroup if you get lost. I would recommend that you ask someone to give you a ride in their car on the course at speed before your runs.

The HPDE environment is exciting and nerve wracking the first time. Just know that everyone is there for the same reason, to get to know their cars better and improve their skills. Your instructor will keep you out of trouble and walk you through the lines, braking points and track management. You can watch some videos of the track you will be on, and ask those of us who have been on the specific tracks for best practices for specific turns. You will start in the novice group and can leave the electronic driver aids on until you are more comfortable with you abilities and the car. You will not be the fastest on the track, but that IS NOT what those events are about.

More to come later. I'm sure this topic will come up at meets, at ZDayZ and any opportunity that you want to talk about it. Those of us who have done them a lot, or newbies all have something to provide that you can process as part of your learning experience. Be careful and have fun!

aniceh · 04-30-2013, 10:14 PM

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Thanks!

b1adesofcha0s · 04-30-2013, 08:26 PM

Are you going to the AAM meet this Saturday? I will be there.

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