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eastwest2300 04-29-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2292164)
Hey steve, I didnt start this argument, you cant blame this one on me...

:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

m4a1mustang 04-29-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2292164)
Hey steve, I didnt start this argument, you cant blame this one on me...

Still your fault. :stirthepot:

XwChriswX 04-29-2013 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT (Post 2292156)
bbuuttt u also have those pro guys doing it... so its gotta count for something!

If we can build the karts to all have the same specs, and then balance the weights, sure. But until they're at the same gearing/tire/brake life, it won't matter. They're moody... Like you said yourself.

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2292158)
You're hearing what you want to hear. No one is discrediting you. Quit being stubborn.

I'm not being stubborn, I'm taking what is said, and repeating it. It's not my words.

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Originally Posted by StangerGT (Post 2292161)
well if it makes u feel better.... i did horrible... :icon14:

and if i had the weight advantage... im sure... i still woulda done horrible :roflpuke2:

I thought you were in the top 3 in your group??

eastwest2300 04-29-2013 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2292166)
Still your fault. :stirthepot:

:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

I knew somehow you guys would blame it on me...

MightyBobo 04-29-2013 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2292120)
What gauntlet did I throw?

Yes I've karted plenty of times before, that's why I enjoy doing it.

How is it illogical? If the lighter person pushed more, they would have beaten me. So it's perfectly logical. So it's not A lightweight or B skill. It's a combination of Both.

I'm not saying weight doesn't matter at all. I'm saying that you point me out as being "lightweight" when there were lighter people that were not surpassing my times. So it's not Just about weight.

I would say Josh was around my weight class, and I assume with the events you guys have done, he has a lot more "racing/High performance" driving than me. Yes I know karting is a whole nother realm, but the same ideals still apply.



You could have then at any time.



Yes, most of the cars we ran had trap doors on the left side to add ballast. That's what all the super cool douches were doing in the racing suits so they were as close to equal weight as they could be.

So what you are saying is, I'm fatter than you, and on my very first time out karting EVER, I was only 1 second slower for my fastest lap, and showing consistent improvement every single time out?

Now I understand :-)

And yes, if the lighter person pushed more, they would have beaten you potentially, assuming their skill was up to snuff. But they didn't. Does that mean weight doesn't matter, however? Nope. You are making the assumption that just because we have done HPDE that we are automatically excellent kart drivers? Lol. ****, my first run, my best lap was only 70 seconds. Second? 66.87. Third? 64.6. Final? 64.1. Next session would be in the 63's, I promise you.

Your AVERAGE speed was a full 3 seconds faster than almost everyone your FIRST run.

What I just proved is, in only 4 runs, I was able to consistently drop my times each time out (both average, and fastest lap). THAT is where my HPDE came in handy.

This is about the same as us both hitting Shenandoah, with my experience against you fresh out for your first HPDE. Except you'd need to close the gap between you and myself for lap times and consistency within only 4 HPDE sessions. That is practically impossible and I'd never expect you to do it, nor would I say anything about it lol.

So what Steve and I are saying is, you are barking up the wrong tree here, and for now that black flag will just have to haunt you :-P

Sent from my Galaxy S3

MightyBobo 04-29-2013 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2292124)
For ***** and giggles,

the RX7 carts are rougly 240lbs with 9 hp.

With a 150 lb driver that's 43.3 lbs per HP

With a 250lb driver that's 54.44 lbs per hp.

Not to mention the braking and cornering advantage with less weight to hustle around.

That just means the fatter person has to drive better. A lot better. Lol

Sent from my Galaxy S3

m4a1mustang 04-29-2013 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2292175)
That just means the fatter person has to drive better. A lot better. Lol

Sent from my Galaxy S3

Yeah but with a skilled light driver (aka Chris) you can't make that time up. For 250lbs I drove the f*ck out of that kart.

Masa 04-29-2013 09:24 PM

A little derailment here, looking at our times... I would really love to see some footage of the drivers running sub 1 minute times. I want to see what lines they take lol.

..:: Club Speed Top Time ::..

m4a1mustang 04-29-2013 09:24 PM

They take the #YOLOSWAG line.

MightyBobo 04-29-2013 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2292142)
Never said we'd be better. We just said it would be a close race. :hello:

I think you're taking offense because you think we're trying to discredit your speed saying its only due to your weight. That's not true at all.

Troof. Nobody said you were driving badly, ever.

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StangerGT 04-29-2013 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2292167)

I thought you were in the top 3 in your group??

eh... i went from 6 to 4... and the final combined race was a disaster for me... for a few reasons... lolz

best time was 66.1

MightyBobo 04-29-2013 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2292178)
Yeah but with a skilled light driver (aka Chris) you can't make that time up. For 250lbs I drove the f*ck out of that kart.

I know, I was being sarcastic. He obviously had some skill. So do we, but we (or at least, I?) Are nubs at karting. Nobody is a pro day one, it's how quickly you improve that counts, imho.

Sent from my Galaxy S3

m4a1mustang 04-29-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2292190)
I know, I was being sarcastic. He obviously had some skill. So do we, but we (or at least, I?) Are nubs at karting. Nobody is a pro day one, it's how quickly you improve that counts, imho.

Sent from my Galaxy S3

:iagree: I had never been in one of these karts until our race Saturday.

Like you, my knowledge of race craft and basic race car physics is what helped me improve with each session. Just need more seat time... and must add lightness. :tup:

XwChriswX 04-29-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Masa (Post 2292180)
A little derailment here, looking at our times... I would really love to see some footage of the drivers running sub 1 minute times. I want to see what lines they take lol.

..:: Club Speed Top Time ::..

Just so we're clear, those are AVG times, not fastest lap times correct??

aniceh 04-29-2013 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2292070)
Puhlease. Weight matters.

When we run with ballast and equal race weights we'll see who the best racer is. :)

Not enough :(

m4a1mustang 04-29-2013 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by aniceh (Post 2292196)
Not enough :(

Were you even able to push the pedals all the way to the floor? :|

m4a1mustang 04-29-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2292195)
Just so we're clear, those are AVG times, not fastest lap times correct??

Pretty sure those are fastest laps.

MightyBobo 04-29-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2292194)
:iagree: I had never been in one of these karts until our race Saturday.

Like you, my knowledge of race craft and basic race car physics is what helped me improve with each session. Just need more seat time... and must add lightness. :tup:

Haha. TO THE GYM!

Look Chris, I know how you feel. You had the skill. You had the weight. By all rights, you should have won, probably. I'm sure you are a little upset about that because you wanted to prove it, so here I am telling you: you did well. Very well, and you should be happy with your performance. You have nothing to prove to us: you are good at karting. If you got black flagged for a fluke, well...I guess that is racing.

So for what it's worth, all that karting may prove beneficial whenever you HPDE. But don't expect to be a pro day one :-P

Sent from my Galaxy S3

Masa 04-29-2013 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2292195)
Just so we're clear, those are AVG times, not fastest lap times correct??

Those are our fastest times of the day we posted taken from out of our 4 races. :tup:

m4a1mustang 04-29-2013 09:34 PM

And next time don't worry about hitting Bobo. Just spin him out. :)

m4a1mustang 04-29-2013 09:35 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXiT-_L-1QA

I wish SPK wasn't so anal about contact. RUBBIN'S RACIN'

Masa 04-29-2013 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by aniceh (Post 2292196)
Not enough :(

From what I saw in the last race, you need to go more YOLO into the corners. Attack them with some anger! :icon17:

eastwest2300 04-29-2013 09:35 PM

What does a black flag mean?

StangerGT 04-29-2013 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2292206)
Haha. TO THE GYM!

Look Chris, I know how you feel. You had the skill. You had the weight. By all rights, you should have won, probably. I'm sure you are a little upset about that because you wanted to prove it, so here I am telling you: you did well. Very well, and you should be happy with your performance. You have nothing to prove to us: you are good at karting. If you got black flagged for a fluke, well...I guess that is racing.

So for what it's worth, all that karting may prove beneficial whenever you HPDE. But don't expect to be a pro day one :-P

Sent from my Galaxy S3

every... single... race! :mad:


and i never crashed!!!!!

MightyBobo 04-29-2013 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2292209)
And next time don't worry about hitting Bobo. Just spin him out. :)

He hit me? I didn't even notice lol

Gah, red turtle shell!

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m4a1mustang 04-29-2013 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2292212)
What does a black flag mean?

You done fugged up.

It's stupid, actually. If you spin, they black flag you, and you have to come into the pits to serve a penalty. IMO, the time lost by spinning out should be the penalty.

Dana was pissed because when she spun, the guy gave her some (angry) lecture. She felt like they rubbed her the wrong way by treating her like a noob so she quit. She knew why she spun but the guy wouldn't quick yapping. I was upset about that because she would have done well if she stuck with it. Oh well... there's next time.

StangerGT 04-29-2013 09:38 PM

i should look into nascar... im invaluable... i just am around people and they spin :icon17:

m4a1mustang 04-29-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2292219)
He hit me? I didn't even notice lol

Sent from my Galaxy S3

No, he spun out in T1 to keep from hitting you.

Masa 04-29-2013 09:39 PM

To offset my 205 pound girth, once I got comfortable with the kart capabilities I began left-foot braking into the corners. This allowed me to keep my revs up with my right foot planted onto the accelerator while shedding some speed. This is what allowed me to creep up on Cwiz on the semi-final race. :D

StangerGT 04-29-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2292220)
You done fugged up.

It's stupid, actually. If you spin, they black flag you, and you have to come into the pits to serve a penalty. IMO, the time lost by spinning out should be the penalty.

Dana was pissed because when she spun, the guy gave her some (angry) lecture. She felt like they rubbed her the wrong way by treating her like a noob so she quit. She knew why she spun but the guy wouldn't quick yapping. I was upset about that because she would have done well if she stuck with it. Oh well... there's next time.

or ur around someone.... that did...

XwChriswX 04-29-2013 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2292205)
Pretty sure those are fastest laps.

So by that, then a 1:03:00 is a 63 seconds correct???


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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2292206)
Haha. TO THE GYM!

Look Chris, I know how you feel. You had the skill. You had the weight. By all rights, you should have won, probably. I'm sure you are a little upset about that because you wanted to prove it, so here I am telling you: you did well. Very well, and you should be happy with your performance. You have nothing to prove to us: you are good at karting. If you got black flagged for a fluke, well...I guess that is racing.

So for what it's worth, all that karting may prove beneficial whenever you HPDE. But don't expect to be a pro day one :-P

Sent from my Galaxy S3

It's just, I take it very personally. I'm very compeditive. And honestly, I saw you as my primary opponent. And it really chaps my azz (and not in the way shado likes his azz chapped either... :ugh2: )to have been cheated out of it by some stupid reason I wasn't even told. I Know you have skill which is why I was gunning for you that last race when I got behind you. :driving: I concede that your name is at the top of the last page.

I'm not expecting to be a pro at an HDPE the first time out at all. Honestly I know I will be VERY hesitant/cautious (pussy) because its in MY car, my DD, my baby, etc etc. So I will be hesitant to push... Until my comfort grows, as you well know. :icon17: That's why I come to you with 50 questions all the time.

MightyBobo 04-29-2013 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2292220)
You done fugged up.

It's stupid, actually. If you spin, they black flag you, and you have to come into the pits to serve a penalty. IMO, the time lost by spinning out should be the penalty.

Dana was pissed because when she spun, the guy gave her some (angry) lecture. She felt like they rubbed her the wrong way by treating her like a noob so she quit. She knew why she spun but the guy wouldn't quick yapping. I was upset about that because she would have done well if she stuck with it. Oh well... there's next time.

Ouch, didn't hear about that.

I mean, I understand...spinning could cause OTHER wrecks, so you should never spin. But, it happens...

Sent from my Galaxy S3

XwChriswX 04-29-2013 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Masa (Post 2292207)
Those are our fastest times of the day we posted taken from out of our 4 races. :tup:

It gave me Todays, not our day... link to ours?

m4a1mustang 04-29-2013 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2292229)
Ouch, didn't hear about that.

I mean, I understand...spinning could cause OTHER wrecks, so you should never spin. But, it happens...

Sent from my Galaxy S3

It's racing. **** happens. They act like it's the end of the world when it does, though.

I understand there are liabilities, but still.

m4a1mustang 04-29-2013 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2292227)
So by that, then a 1:03:00 is a 63 seconds correct???


Yes.

Masa 04-29-2013 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2292231)
It gave me Todays, not our day... link to ours?

It lists today's date at the top but its 'top times of the week'.

b1adesofcha0s 04-29-2013 09:43 PM

So about this next karting event...

m4a1mustang 04-29-2013 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 2292235)
So about this next karting event...

:gtfo2: can't you see we're talking about the last karting event?

Masa 04-29-2013 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 2292235)
So about this next karting event...

Yeah, Shahid isn't allowed. :stirthepot:

XwChriswX 04-29-2013 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2292220)
You done fugged up.

It's stupid, actually. If you spin, they black flag you, and you have to come into the pits to serve a penalty. IMO, the time lost by spinning out should be the penalty.

Dana was pissed because when she spun, the guy gave her some (angry) lecture. She felt like they rubbed her the wrong way by treating her like a noob so she quit. She knew why she spun but the guy wouldn't quick yapping. I was upset about that because she would have done well if she stuck with it. Oh well... there's next time.

That must have been what they black flagged me for then...

I was following bobo for the entire track trying to pass him. But he never looked back to see I was there, and I didn't want to spin him out by being too aggressive and ducking in when he cut into a turn.

So after the front stretch, I tried to nose in, and when he did cut, the only think I could do to not T bone him was brake. As soon as I touched the pedal, rear end came out and I was facing Steve. :shakes head:

I waited for all traffic to pass and then pulled back into the lane... Got the black flag at the other half of the track and yelled :wtf: at the guy. Pulled into the pits, was told nothing, went back out and proceeded to set my fastest lap of the day.


I didn't get any lecture and I'm glad I didn't because I would have told him it's ******* stupid to black flag a car that didn't touch any other car, and didn't obstruct other racers before returning to the course. :shakes head:


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