MAZOC Firearms

TROOPER · 01-30-2012, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

There I must disagree. Owning a weapon is a huge responsibility. Not only do you have to find a secure place to store it, but you absolutely have to make sure that you know how it works, how to maintain it, how to use it, and most importantly when to use it. Statistically, it is still true that having a gun in the home makes you far more likely to injure yourself or friend/family than it is to use it to effectively to save your life. The only way to beat those odds are to get instruction, and practice with it regularly. And by instruction, I'm not talking about the the 4 hour permit-to-carry course most people have to take. I'm talking about additional courses afterward, and this is especially true if you're going to actually carry it on your person.

Do not believe, like so many Americans, that just buying a gun, bringing it home, and sticking it in your bedside table will automatically make you safer. If you don't train with it, real instruction, then the opposite will be true. The same is true IMHO if you just rely on your CCW course as all you need to make you an effective pistolero.

Throwing a gun in your bedside table will not help you when the poop hits the fan.

If you don't know how to use it, as many people don't. They just buy it and never even shoot it to make sure it works, and throw it in a drawer.

If you can't hit a target at "minimum" 10-15 yards away, just think what it's like at 2am, when it's dark, you're confused, scared, heart racing...

You forgot where they safety is, and that's if you remembered to load it and c0ck it...

And as Mac said, you also have to know the law, as to when you can fire.

And think about the law afterwards, because even if it was justified, you'd probably spend the next 2 years in and out of court.

jayl · 01-30-2012, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

I wouldn't dare walk into a range with an air gun... lol

Thats the impression I was under... but talked to a coworker who seemed to think it might be ok..

jayl · 01-30-2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

A "powerful" air gun will probably do nothing but irritate an intruder, or scare him since he might not be able to tell what it is until you fire it. But you can guarantee if you DO have to fire and he finds out, your a$$ will get beat...

Thanks for the warning about this..

better to find out here then there

jayl · 01-30-2012, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I got shot in the neck by a 6mm bb going around 650fps. It just stung a bit and broke the skin.

was it a copper BB?

jayl · 01-30-2012, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

Jay, just get you a real firearm, worry about all that other stuff later. Theres only one "you" and a lot of criminals out there that would love to do harm to you, so excersize your right to bear arms, and get you some real home defense and personal protection.

makes sense honestly as of now I dont feel the need to have something for home defense... however thats because I live in a high rise condo ... but at some point we will be moving into a TH or such...so I was thinking if I need to get something or not..

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo
I'm HARDLY an outspoken gun rights person. However, if you are looking for home defense, jayl? Don't waste your time with an air gun to practice. Get the real deal and don't sweat the details...owning a weapon isn't nearly as bad as you think.

This is interesting to hear, I will be considering your advice strongly based on how I feel in the new home.

Thanks,

m4a1mustang · 01-30-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jayl

was it a copper BB?

No it was a plastic airsoft BB but I think even a copper one at 600 fps wouldn't do much other than sting like hell and bleed.

If all you want to do is target shoot with an air pistol, you can do this in your apartment hallway... just build a backstop with a large box and newspaper.

jayl · 01-30-2012, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

No. Relying on an airgun for self defense is a silly concept. Guns are designed to kill people, and that's an option that you have to have if you feel that you need a weapon to defend your life or the life of another.

There I must disagree. Owning a weapon is a huge responsibility. Not only do you have to find a secure place to store it, but you absolutely have to make sure that you know how it works, how to maintain it, how to use it, and most importantly when to use it. Statistically, it is still true that having a gun in the home makes you far more likely to injure yourself or friend/family than it is to use it to effectively to save your life. The only way to beat those odds are to get instruction, and practice with it regularly. And by instruction, I'm not talking about the the 4 hour permit-to-carry course most people have to take. I'm talking about additional courses afterward, and this is especially true if you're going to actually carry it on your person.

Do not believe, like so many Americans, that just buying a gun, bringing it home, and sticking it in your bedside table will automatically make you safer. If you don't train with it, real instruction, then the opposite will be true. The same is true IMHO if you just rely on your CCW course as all you need to make you an effective pistolero.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TROOPER

Throwing a gun in your bedside table will not help you when the poop hits the fan.

If you don't know how to use it, as many people don't. They just buy it and never even shoot it to make sure it works, and throw it in a drawer.

If you can't hit a target at "minimum" 10-15 yards away, just think what it's like at 2am, when it's dark, you're confused, scared, heart racing...

You forgot where they safety is, and that's if you remembered to load it and c0ck it...

And as Mac said, you also have to know the law, as to when you can fire.

And think about the law afterwards, because even if it was justified, you'd probably spend the next 2 years in and out of court.

I agree I would train / practice regularly if I was to get a real firearm, just rite now I didnt feel the need to have a real firearm... however seeing kind of crime that happens I might change the way I think about this..

m4a1mustang · 01-30-2012, 09:42 AM

If you think you want a real firearm now is probably the time to do it, if anything as a hedge against future regulations that make it harder for a law-abiding citizen to get one.

But like Mac and Troop were saying you need to commit to doing it right.

jayl · 01-30-2012, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

No it was a plastic airsoft BB but I think even a copper one at 600 fps wouldn't do much other than sting like hell and bleed.

thats interesting, they have warnings on the air gun pistol's if used improperly it can cause death... These to me seemed completely different that the airsoft BB... however most of you on here are experts about it.

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If all you want to do is target shoot with an air pistol, you can do this in your apartment hallway... just build a backstop with a large box and newspaper.

don't think my neighbors would like this.

m4a1mustang · 01-30-2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jayl

thats interesting, they have warnings on the air gun pistol's if used improperly it can cause death... These to me seemed completely different that the airsoft BB... however most of you on here are experts about it.

don't think my neighbors would like this.

Oh they are definitely dangerous and could kill someone in the right situation.

TROOPER · 01-30-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Oh they are definitely dangerous and could kill someone in the right situation.

Steve, you talking about your .40 cal again..

m4a1mustang · 01-30-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TROOPER

Steve, you talking about your .40 cal again..

9mm here bro!

jayl · 01-30-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

If you think you want a real firearm now is probably the time to do it, if anything as a hedge against future regulations that make it harder for a law-abiding citizen to get one.

about pulling the trigger... on this one

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But like Mac and Troop were saying you need to commit to doing it right.

VaGntlmn · 01-30-2012, 12:05 PM

1) If you don't want a "real" gun, don't get one. You seemed pretty reluctant a couple of posts ago. It has a lot of responsibility, and can have major consequences if not handled correctly.
2) Talk to people, these guys included. They give a lot of flack, but also a lot of good advice. Feel free to pm me if you want and I'll be more than happy to tell you what I did. Just note that I'm a noobie to shooting myself, am by no means an expert, am borderline ocd, and an anal retentive possessive control freak. Now sit back and see what kind of comments that last sentence gets me.
3) Try to find a shooting range around you that rents. Try some out, see what you like.
4) Go from there and have fun.
See, isn't that easy?

murphman · 01-30-2012, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jayl

about pulling the trigger... on this one

Jay if you are not ready to buy i am sure you local ranges have guns for rent. In the time leading to a firearm purchase, gun rental for your situation is a great option as it gives the option to become comfortable with a firearm and learn the proper storage, safety and operating techniques needed to reduce chances of accidental discharge of your firearm.

One thing i will say is that i am constantly scounting guns and since late november/early December i have seen prices climb anywhere from 30-50$ on each firearm i have tracked. This is not subject to everywhere, i do a bunch of scouting on Budsgunshop.com as they tend to have a very competative prices. With that being said it could just be from low stock from the holidays or the beginning of price hikes as the end of 2012 nears "elections".

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VaGntlmn Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Centreville, Va Age: 64 Posts: 378 Drives: '10 Tour/Sport, 6MT Rep Power: 15	1) If you don't want a "real" gun, don't get one. You seemed pretty reluctant a couple of posts ago. It has a lot of responsibility, and can have major consequences if not handled correctly. 2) Talk to people, these guys included. They give a lot of flack, but also a lot of good advice. Feel free to pm me if you want and I'll be more than happy to tell you what I did. Just note that I'm a noobie to shooting myself, am by no means an expert, am borderline ocd, and an anal retentive possessive control freak. Now sit back and see what kind of comments that last sentence gets me. 3) Try to find a shooting range around you that rents. Try some out, see what you like. 4) Go from there and have fun. See, isn't that easy? __________________ Bill 2010 370z; Tour/Sport; 6mt; BlackCherry/Grey; 318 rwhp; 265 lbs rwtq. To view a list of my mods, click here; To view a photo journal of the mods, click here. Last edited by VaGntlmn; 01-30-2012 at 01:12 PM.

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