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eastwest2300 03-29-2013 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 2235726)

I just read that article... hey, it happens.. the burgers are still delicious.:tup:

Red__Zed 03-29-2013 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 2240519)
Looks like the Joint Committee in the Maryland House will vote on amendments to and eventually on SB281 Firearms Safety Act of 2013 today. Over 500 pro 2A folks are inside the House chamber and overflow rooms with more on the way to voice their opposition to SB281 and to let the delegates know what is at stake should they cave in and pass the bill into law.

Live video of the chamber via ustream live:

Ustream.Tv

Here is a view from inside the chamber:

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/...pseacfa355.jpg


here's to hoping the MD legislators respond to that reminder more favorably than the CO ones did.

ZCarMan 03-29-2013 02:34 PM

Unfortunately, MD legislators have already made owning firearms difficult for law abiding citizens. One of the amendments they are going to vote on is to limit magazines to ten rounds when they are already limited to 20. Baretta USA is headquartered in Prince Georges County and they've already said they have been courted by several states to move if the bill passes because it puts restrictions on barrel length that would ban some of their rifles. Of course the legislators came up with an amendment to extend the barrel length to 29 inches in order to appease Baretta. Just like CO attempted to do with Magpul. Hopefully Baretta isn't buying into that.

Red__Zed 03-29-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 2240612)
Unfortunately, MD legislators have already made owning firearms difficult for law abiding citizens. One of the amendments they are going to vote on is to limit magazines to ten rounds when they are already limited to 20. Baretta USA is headquartered in Prince Georges County and they've already said they have been courted by several states to move if the bill passes because it puts restrictions on barrel length that would ban some of their rifles. Of course the legislators came up with an amendment to extend the barrel length to 29 inches in order to appease Baretta. Just like CO attempted to do with Magpul. Hopefully Baretta isn't buying into that.

They're a smart company. I remember when they moved warehousing to VA...I would hope they'd move the rest of the company there if this passes.

ZCarMan 03-29-2013 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2240620)
They're a smart company. I remember when they moved warehousing to VA...I would hope they'd move the rest of the company there if this passes.

There is a rumor that Baretta has already purchased more land in VA.

Red__Zed 03-29-2013 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 2240628)
There is a rumor that Baretta has already purchased more land in VA.

Would not surprise me. VA is a much better home to a company like Beretta than MD is....hopefully they can stay that way despite the influx of "progressively-minded" folks in the NoVa area

Kirkster 03-29-2013 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2240600)
here's to hoping the MD legislators respond to that reminder more favorably than the CO ones did.

Not a chance on that... it has been amended and has moved on to the full house...

BOHICA Marylanders... Its time to move out of this chicken **** state...

eastwest2300 03-29-2013 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirkster (Post 2241128)
Not a chance on that... it has been amended and has moved on to the full house...

BOHICA Marylanders... Its time to move out of this chicken **** state...

Dude, Im all for moving out of this shitty azz state.

ZCarMan 03-30-2013 07:10 AM

I watched the circus in Annapolis yesterday as the Joint Committee voted to send SB281 with amendments to the full house for a vote next week.

I listened to an exchange between legislators regarding the bill's requirement to limit magazine capacity to 10 rounds. The argument in favor was that the shooter in Phoenix that shot Congressman Giffords had to stop and reload which caused him to be tackled and stopped and that was why she was in favor of limiting capacity. She explained that she wanted the bad guys to have to stop and reload.

Another legislator responded that the VA tech shooter had 10 magazines and stopped to reload many times and that the only reason he was able to kill 32 people was due to the fact everyone on the campus was disarmed (crowd applauded), and that the only thing that stopped a bad guy with a gun was a good guy with a gun (more crowd applaud).

Lastly, another legislator added that making criminals stop to reload makes no sense because when a law abiding citizen such as his Wife is defending themselves from attack, she will also have to stop and reload when the attacker will not likely have limited themselves to a 10 round magazine. They then voted and the 10 round limit stayed in the bill. That was when 12 people stood up shouted something and walked out.

It was pretty much like that the entire time. At the same time this fiasco was taking place. the MD Senate passed another gasoline tax increase bill that raises the price of a gallon of gas about 4 cents per gallon starting 1 July with set increases taking place periodically. It will now be sent to Governor O'Malley for signature. I have always heard MD was a crazy place to live, now I know it. This will inevitably wind up in the supreme court which will take years.

Here is how they each voted to approve the bill w/amendments and send it to the full House for vote next week:

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9df67ea0.jpg
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/...psd2956977.jpg

eastwest2300 03-30-2013 07:56 AM

Good stuff..

ZCarMan 03-30-2013 03:04 PM

Here is a summary of what took place in Annapolis yesterday from Delegate Hough from Frederick and Washington County. Its not pretty.

O’Malley Gun Grab Passes House Committees

On Friday evening two house committees, including the House Judiciary Committee of which I am a member passed Governor Martin O’Malley’s gun grab bill Senate Bill 281 by a vote of 27-18.

Those of us who are proponents of the Second Amendment spent over eight hours offering amendments to the bill. Numerous amendments were accepted, including one I offered to protect ammunition used by waterfowl hunters. In addition amendments were accepted to bar the state police from disclosing the addresses of gun owners, to allow a 18-year old in the military to purchase regulated firearms, and to remove registration requirements for those who inherit firearms.

The committee adopted amendments striking registration requirements for individuals who currently own so-called “assault” weapons. The committee also exempted current handgun owners from testing requirements when they buy future handguns.

Unfortunately the main provisions on this anti-gun bill survived. Here’s what the bill still does:

Requires law-abiding citizens, prior to purchasing a handgun to be fingerprinted at state police headquarters, have a background check, take four hours of classroom instruction, pass an undefined test at a gun range, and obtain a gun license. Due to a lack of public ranges and instructors, for many this will be a de facto ban on buying handguns. Currently it’s taking over 60 days for individuals to obtain hand guns.

Limits magazine bullet capacity for all guns to ten rounds.

Bans so-called “assault” weapons, which includes the nationally popular sports shooting rifle the AR-15. These weapons were tied to zero murders in Maryland last year.

Enables State Police to do ATF style investigations on gun stores. This was enacted despite opposition from gun store owners for the supposed purpose of preventing straw purchases. The State Police, Attorney General’s office, and the Governor’s office were never able to even answer the question of how many straw purchase prosecutions there were last year under the current Maryland law.

An amendment was also added yesterday to take peoples guns after a Probation Before Judgment (PBJ). Under Maryland law these are not considered convictions and I strongly oppose taking people’s rights and property away unless there is a conviction.

Finally, Democrats rejected all attempts to increase school security and to punish criminals who use guns in crimes. Unbelievably an amendment was defeated that would have allowed off-duty police officers to have their firearms on school grounds. I know if a shooter was at my one my kid’s school I would pray to God there was an armed police officer nearby. It should be noted that legislators rejected this amendment, while sitting in a state building that is protected by armed guards.

Another amendment that was narrowly defeated would have removed good time prison credits for those who use guns in the commission of violent crimes. Clearly the message is we only want to punish law-abiding citizens and not criminals.

This bill will head to the House floor next week for a final vote. Pro-Second Amendment activists have done an awesome job of attending bill hearings in Annapolis and contacting legislators. I urge you to continue to speak out against SB 281 for one more week.

Sincerely,

Delegate Michael Hough
Frederick & Washington Counties

ZCarMan 04-01-2013 05:21 PM

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http://www.luckygunner.com/12ga-3-ur...ition-5-rounds

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/...psd31d72de.jpg

MightyBobo 04-01-2013 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 2245363)
Lucky Gunner.com has a great deal on Tacnition 12ga uranium-drone-load!

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/...psd31d72de.jpg

Hahaha

eastwest2300 04-01-2013 07:09 PM

I saw that, and I thought... what the fvck. lol. :facepalm:

Z Stig 04-04-2013 08:12 PM

A few of my rifles (and one awesome shotgun!)
 
4 Attachment(s)
KelTec KSG - 12 Gauge Shotgun: 14 + 1 in only 26 inches: It is a BLAST !!!!

Smith and Wesson M & P 15: .223 AR. Stays very flat when shooting.

Smith & Wesson M & P 15-22: .22 long rifle AR. Inexpensive plinker.

Savage Hog Hunter (Bolt Action): .308 My reach out and touch something rifle.


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