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eastwest2300 09-17-2011 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1318317)
I ship everything overnight. Just ask Fontana Nissan. :bowrofl:

Shipping straight to your front door:tup:

eastwest2300 09-17-2011 09:53 PM

I like those Pmags, they look 1000 times better than regular magazines.:tup:

m4a1mustang 09-17-2011 09:55 PM

They do look nice, but all I really care about is function. And from what I can tell they are great.

eastwest2300 09-17-2011 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1318335)
They do look nice, but all I really care about is function. And from what I can tell they are great.

Dude, I may have to pick up a couple of those.

MacCool 09-17-2011 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 1318342)
Dude, I may have to pick up a couple of those.

Be cautious and only buy one or two. Some brands of rifle lowers are more likely to be out-of-spec than others and the mag wells can end up too tight to drop pmags reliably. Otherwise, pmags are reliable and durable.

eastwest2300 09-17-2011 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 1318436)
Be cautious and only buy one or two. Some brands of rifle lowers are more likely to be out-of-spec than others and the mag wells can end up too tight to drop pmags reliably. Otherwise, pmags are reliable and durable.

Thanks brother, I'll definitely keep that in mind.:tup:

TROOPER 09-18-2011 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 1318436)
Be cautious and only buy one or two. Some brands of rifle lowers are more likely to be out-of-spec than others and the mag wells can end up too tight to drop pmags reliably. Otherwise, pmags are reliable and durable.

P-Mags work great with my Rock River lower :tup:

I just can't decide if 10 of them is enough LOL

MacCool 09-18-2011 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TROOPER (Post 1318565)
P-Mags work great with my Rock River lower :tup:

I just can't decide if 10 of them is enough LOL

My buddy's DPMS mag well is too tight and those lowers are notorious for that, but a little sanding on the top back edge of the Pmags fixes that problem.

m4a1mustang 09-18-2011 08:59 AM

Mac, how's the typical resale on BCM stuff? Do they hold value better than some of the lower quality stuff?

MacCool 09-18-2011 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1318597)
Mac, how's the typical resale on BCM stuff? Do they hold value better than some of the lower quality stuff?

A lot of people buy these rifles and parts based on price, not quality, so resale of a high quality rifle will have a more limited market when gun store clerks and forums like Arfcom are giving the impression that those consumer-grade rifles are "just as good" as your BCM, but at lower cost ("with BCM you're just paying extra for the name" :rolleyes: ). Bottom line, a BCM rifle will hold its value better but you may have to work harder to sell it because you will need an audience that knows as much about quality AR's as you do, and DPMS, RRA, and Bushmaster make up the largest percentage of AR sales). Place to start with selling higher-quality components would be the Equipment Exchange at M4Carbine.net, for example, since that audience tends to be more tuned in to quality and reliability.

The other thing to keep in mind is that it's often harder to re-sell an assembled-from-parts rifle than it is a factory-made rifle. You could assemble a rifle from all-BCM parts and usually will still have a harder time selling it than the same thing bought as a complete rifle. Sometimes yo can do better selling the components piece-by-piece.

murphman 09-18-2011 11:10 AM

anyone have any opinions on Double Star?

m4a1mustang 09-18-2011 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 1318633)
A lot of people buy these rifles and parts based on price, not quality, so resale of a high quality rifle will have a more limited market when gun store clerks and forums like Arfcom are giving the impression that those consumer-grade rifles are "just as good" as your BCM, but at lower cost ("with BCM you're just paying extra for the name" :rolleyes: ). Bottom line, a BCM rifle will hold its value better but you may have to work harder to sell it because you will need an audience that knows as much about quality AR's as you do, and DPMS, RRA, and Bushmaster make up the largest percentage of AR sales). Place to start with selling higher-quality components would be the Equipment Exchange at M4Carbine.net, for example, since that audience tends to be more tuned in to quality and reliability.

The other thing to keep in mind is that it's often harder to re-sell an assembled-from-parts rifle than it is a factory-made rifle. You could assemble a rifle from all-BCM parts and usually will still have a harder time selling it than the same thing bought as a complete rifle. Sometimes yo can do better selling the components piece-by-piece.

Thanks, Mac. Good to know.

I've got membership pending on M4Carbine.net and also lurk ARFcom; M4C is no-nonsense with tons of valuable information, ARFcom is OK too but there's definitely a lot of nonsense you have to sift through to get to good information.

Needless to say coupled with everything there and all of the help you've offered, I've learned a lot.

I came very close to ordering a PSA completed upper. Everything with them as far as specs goes checks out: cold hammer forged barrels made by FN, MPI/HPT properly staked BCG, M4 feed ramps, and upper/lower receiver shells made by Aero Precision. Pricing is great too at $499 for a M4 style upper with the FN barrel. The issue is these are new and they haven't been put to the test yet. I think they would be GTG but only time will tell.

If I went with a full PSA build there would always be some uncertainty, and after handling the BCM stuff yesterday I knew that was the way to go. Maybe for a future build I'll try some PSA if they prove themselves. Right now, I end up spending a couple hundred dollars more but have the peace of mind knowing I am buying some of the best. :tup:

Fatalsports 09-18-2011 11:30 AM

I went to the Gun Show at the Howard County Fairgrounds yesterday and picked up a H&K MP5 .22 A5

http://www.tacticool22.com/images/fi...5-a5-22-lg.jpg

I used to own a GSG-5 and this, by feel, blows it out of the water. This is actually the first and official .22 MP5. Made by H&K in Germany and you can easily tell the difference between this and the GSG-5. Can't wait to try it out.

Also finally getting around to putting my Kimber 1911 back together!

eastwest2300 09-18-2011 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TROOPER (Post 1318565)
P-Mags work great with my Rock River lower :tup:

I just can't decide if 10 of them is enough LOL

Darren, you should sell me 2 of them for a good price..:tup:

eastwest2300 09-18-2011 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fatalsports (Post 1318704)
I went to the Gun Show at the Howard County Fairgrounds yesterday and picked up a H&K MP5 .22 A5

http://www.tacticool22.com/images/fi...5-a5-22-lg.jpg

I used to own a GSG-5 and this, by feel, blows it out of the water. This is actually the first and official .22 MP5. Made by H&K in Germany and you can easily tell the difference between this and the GSG-5. Can't wait to try it out.

Very Very Very Nice, Congrats!

MacCool 09-18-2011 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by murphman (Post 1318673)
anyone have any opinions on Double Star?

By reputation, I'd be cautiously optimistic about using one of their stripped lowers, but uppers and complete rifles....I think there are better options out there.

eastwest2300 09-18-2011 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by murphman (Post 1318673)
anyone have any opinions on Double Star?

Yeah, I'd listen to Mac, he knows his stuff..:tup:

murphman 09-18-2011 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 1318825)
By reputation, I'd be cautiously optimistic about using one of their stripped lowers, but uppers and complete rifles....I think there are better options out there.

thanks for the infos but what kind of reputation do they have? Just wondering cause i saw a near complete Double star (missing rear sights) for 650$ and was wondering at that price and being the manufacturer if it was worth it and then just add the rails, sights and vert grip after.

Fatalsports 09-18-2011 04:14 PM

Does anyone know if they sell, I can't seem to find it, an H&K or similar clone MP5 in 9mm?

I know, and own, a .22 MP5 and know of several clones out there...but are there any MP5/clones in 9mm - regulated or non/regulated?

m4a1mustang 09-18-2011 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by murphman (Post 1318969)
thanks for the infos but what kind of reputation do they have? Just wondering cause i saw a near complete Double star (missing rear sights) for 650$ and was wondering at that price and being the manufacturer if it was worth it and then just add the rails, sights and vert grip after.

Depends on what you want to do with it?

If it's just plinking... then you're probably GTG.

But based on what I have read I wouldn't expect one to last if I ran it hard.

eastwest2300 09-18-2011 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1319036)
Depends on what you want to do with it?

If it's just plinking... then you're probably GTG.

But based on what I have read I wouldn't expect one to last if I ran it hard.

Thats why you go with a Rock River, here Im gonna help you out..

Rock River Arms: Custom Firearms, Parts, Accessories

:tup::rolleyes:

MacCool 09-18-2011 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by murphman (Post 1318969)
thanks for the infos but what kind of reputation do they have? Just wondering cause i saw a near complete Double star (missing rear sights) for 650$ and was wondering at that price and being the manufacturer if it was worth it and then just add the rails, sights and vert grip after.

I'm probably the wrong one to ask. All my guns get run hard and I've always stayed with brands that have demonstrated that they can take it. Cost hasn't been something I've ever taken much into account so there are definitely gaps in my personal knowledge relative to consumer-grade weapons. Double Star's reputation among the people I shoot with is suspect, but I'm not personally familiar with the brand. I have seen Bushies, DPMS, and RRA's fail with a relatively high degree of consistency in high round count courses, but I've never seen a Double Star run. Relative to that brand, I can only recount conventional wisdom from guys I know who shoot a lot.

As to vertical grips...I don't use 'em much anymore, mostly just low-profile hand stops, although I am currently using an AFG on my SBR. Jury's still out on that one for me, but I'm going to shoot it at this TriCon course.

m4a1mustang 09-18-2011 07:50 PM

One thing I've learned is that there really is no real price difference between the top tier of the commercial grade rifles like Stag/RRA and the top tier of the Milspec grade rifles like Colt/Noveske/LMT/DD/BCM.

I originally started out thinking I'd spend about $850 or so on a Stag, but then I learned the differences between the types of barrel steels and HP testing and MP inspection. It's very important stuff that would make or break a rifle when you put it to the test.

Obviously it all depends on what you need out of a rifle, so a lot of people could get by with no issues putting 500-1000 rounds a year through something like a DoubleStar or a Del-ton, but if you want something to rely on for defense I wouldn't be so sure. And if you wanted to do some high-round count intensive shooting or carbine courses, you'd probably find out you'd need to swap your BCG out for a better one and hope you don't burn your barrel up.

That's why I decided to spend the extra bit of cash (which really isn't that much at all) and do a full BCM build. I know it will be up to the task whether that be plinking at the range, defense, or some future carbine classes.

:tup:

MacCool 09-18-2011 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1319151)
One thing I've learned is that there really is no real price difference between the top tier of the commercial grade rifles like Stag/RRA and the top tier of the Milspec grade rifles like Colt/Noveske/LMT/DD/BCM.

I originally started out thinking I'd spend about $850 or so on a Stag, but then I learned the differences between the types of barrel steels and HP testing and MP inspection. It's very important stuff that would make or break a rifle when you put it to the test.

Obviously it all depends on what you need out of a rifle, so a lot of people could get by with no issues putting 500-1000 rounds a year through something like a DoubleStar or a Del-ton, but if you want something to rely on for defense I wouldn't be so sure. And if you wanted to do some high-round count intensive shooting or carbine courses, you'd probably find out you'd need to swap your BCG out for a better one and hope you don't burn your barrel up.

That's why I decided to spend the extra bit of cash (which really isn't that much at all) and do a full BCM build. I know it will be up to the task whether that be plinking at the range, defense, or some future carbine classes.

:tup:

Ahh Grasshopper. You have snatched the pebble from my hand...Time for you to leave.


:tiphat:

m4a1mustang 09-18-2011 08:50 PM

Thanks for steering me in the right direction, Mac. :tup:

eastwest2300 09-18-2011 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 1319198)
Ahh Grasshopper. You have snatched the pebble from my hand...Time for you to leave.


:tiphat:

:tup::rolleyes:

eastwest2300 09-18-2011 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1319221)
Thanks for steering me in the right direction, Mac. :tup:

I cant wait for us to get on the range and see how our ARs perform.:tup:

Fatalsports 09-18-2011 09:36 PM

What range will you guys be going to?

Been trying to find a nice one in the area...

m4a1mustang 09-18-2011 09:38 PM

Well I still am not going to attempt to cross into MD with any of my guns.

eastwest2300 09-18-2011 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fatalsports (Post 1319279)
What range will you guys be going to?

Been trying to find a nice one in the area...

Theres been some buzz about doing a group meet then heading to a range, but we have some members that live in the general area and dont wanna cross state lines to go with their weapons, which is understandable. so we're trying to find some sorta median which works for everybody.

m4a1mustang 09-18-2011 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 1319287)
Theres been some buzz about doing a group meet then heading to a range, but we have some members that live in the general area and dont wanna cross state lines to go with their weapons, which is understandable. so we're trying to find some sorta median which works for everybody.

Well I don't mind going shooting in MD, I'd just have to borrow or rent at the range.

eastwest2300 09-18-2011 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1319293)
Well I don't mind going shooting in MD, I'd just have to borrow or rent at the range.

Man, thats no fun man, especially when you cant shoot your own.. thats not cool.

m4a1mustang 09-20-2011 09:47 PM

Did some research, looks like I should be able to bring my stuff to a range in MD; just have to keep the guns/mags unloaded and locked up in the trunk with the ammo totally separate it seems. I still need to do some more digging to get 100% confirmation.

Red__Zed 09-20-2011 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1322803)
Did some research, looks like I should be able to bring my stuff to a range in MD; just have to keep the guns/mags unloaded and locked up in the trunk with the ammo totally separate it seems. I still need to do some more digging to get 100% confirmation.

that's my understanding from talking to MD state police.

eastwest2300 09-20-2011 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1322803)
Did some research, looks like I should be able to bring my stuff to a range in MD; just have to keep the guns/mags unloaded and locked up in the trunk with the ammo totally separate it seems. I still need to do some more digging to get 100% confirmation.

Didnt i tell you something along those lines?:ugh2: maybe I did, maybe I didnt... but good stuff!

m4a1mustang 09-20-2011 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 1322814)
Didnt i tell you something along those lines?:ugh2: maybe I did, maybe I didnt... but good stuff!

Yeah, well that's good news. I can bring my gats! :tup:

eastwest2300 09-20-2011 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1322825)
Yeah, well that's good news. I can bring my gats! :tup:

And I would say if you REALLY wanna play it safe, you could always break down your weapons, and put them together once you get to the range.:tup:

murphman 09-21-2011 07:53 PM

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just purchased this for my bro who comes in town this weekend. Do not know if it is top notch but looks like a nice range gun with the ability to make tactical and he wanted it.

M10-762 Semi-Auto AK Style Rifle 7.62x39 $499.00 SHIPS FREE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OEW3...layer_embedded

eastwest2300 09-21-2011 07:57 PM

Very nice sir, I just purchased my Vortex StrikeFire Red Dot Scope for my RRA AR-15... yeah daaawg.:happydance:

murphman 09-21-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 1324359)
Very nice sir, I just purchased my Vortex StrikeFire Red Dot Scope for my RRA AR-15... yeah daaawg.:happydance:

very nice

This is the M10's potential for a tactical build. quiet sexy if you ask me.


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