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I'm suffering a serious flashback to my junior high days when the kids yelled back and forth at each other over what was 'better', the Genesis or Super Nintendo. The more things change, eh?
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They never do - but SNES > than all lol :p
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Yup shaba is right the reason why 360 is so succesful is because it's easier to make games in that platform. But as Hardware goes the PS3 trumps the 360, with all the stuff that comes on that system its an actual bargain. The reason 360 makes more sales is because of games they have the best shooters in the business and then add the xbox live on top of that. The 360 is pretty much the best multiplayer console. Now that the ps3 came out with the slim they might catch up but i highly doubt it because pretty much all the exlusive the ps3 is getting is crossing over to the 360, plus the way the economy is IDK if people is willing to shell out 300 dollars for a gaming system. |
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Which you know is important. I love the GT series, sigh i dunno if i will get this now |
i can not wait for this game. can't wait to supe up a 370z and just go all out. also, i think it is rumored to have full 3D head tracking system.
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Wanna know why MGS4 was never out of XBOX?
Here is why: http://360.kombo.com/images/content/...1_20080826.png And thats ALL THANKS to BluRay!! |
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Killzone 2 is ******* outstanding. The GT series stopped evolving. The graphics got better, but the gameplay stayed the same. The physics are trash. The AI is trash. How is that simulation? I can't compare Forza to GT5 since GT5 has yet to release (which is sad considering there will be TWO Forzas released before hand, with Forza 3 dominating the **** out of Forza 2), so I can only compare it to past GT games. Hell, even the creator of GT said that Forza does more than GT does (I gotta dig that quote up)... he compared the games as watches, with Forza being the super multi-functional watch and GT being a less functional, highly (can't think of the exact wording) polished watch. Will post more on this later, got an appt. |
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Wait.. you really think the driving physics of GT5p is less than what forza has to offer... the ONE and ONLY thing ill give to forza is the online crap - but i want a simulator... When it comes to track accuracy and feeling the cars weight shift ... you cant touch GT... if you are comparing crap to GT4 then get out of town man.. that game is ancient... but GT5p has a million times better physics than forza... I hope you play both games in the "professional" setting... and not the "advanced" ....
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Again I point to Tekken 6. Tekken was designed on PS3 hardware yet there is no Graphical differences what at all between the 2 versions. Namco has always been pro Sony so I wouldn't call them being biased. YouTube - TEKKEN 6 - Steve Fox intro and gameplay trailer Look at the PS2 sells still but not the most technical system out there. Hell for about 2 years the PS2 was still outselling the PS3. Its about installed user base. Not about Graphic power Microsoft learned that last round. They had the better system but people still flocked to the PS2. It doesnt matter how much untapped power there is in the PS3 if no one takes advantage of it it might as well as not exist. Obviously sony isnt even taking advantage of it if you still talking about its still in there. Installed user base is what matters! People have the console in there homes and playing it. Here are the numbers. This is from 6th of August 09 Console installed bases in NA and Europe according to Activision Blizzard - Gamezine.co.uk Quote:
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lol i dont' even know why we debating about 360 vs ps3, it seems like the wii is kicking both those consoles combined lol.
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i was gonna buy a ps3 just for gt5, then im like F it, for a ps3 steering wheel and game and hdmi cable will be like 700-800 bucks...id rather mod my car for that! but htis new ps3 slim looks hot...sooooo i might just look back into it. regardless, im still getting forza 3 too. at least i know it will come out for sure lol
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Asheth, actually the gap is closing in slowly, now with the PS3 slim coming out it might even get closer, but Microsoft already has an ace up their sleeve which they are about to drop soon (remove one console and lower the top console price to 299).
Real numbers currently: http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r...soletotals.jpg The PS3 has slowly been eating away at that 10 million gap over the past 6 months. The 360 beats it in overall sales each month, but by less each time. Now on the point about Forza v. GT5, the GT series has always been the premier driving simulation. Yes the AI has been below par, the cars do not get damaged, but in terms are accuracy and precision the GT series is still number one (based on GT5p and what information we know of Forza 3). Now with the full GT5 comes out and Forza 3, we will better be able to determine the higher power. Those who try to argue a 360 v. a PS3 are just hurting themselves. Each one beats the other in one category and loses in another. The PS3 has the potential to have better graphics, but Sony limits itself by out casting developers and game studios with no support for the system which leaves them finding their own way to make the game. Also, (not sure if they lifted it yet) studios who develop for the PS3 cannot share "developer kits" with other studios to help each other when developing for the PS3, per Sony requirements. |
360 was out for an extra how long? ... and the headtracking is NOT going to work - think about it... your one tv screen is in front of you... you look right...and the screen in front of you pans lol... how are you going to be able to look at the screen and look right?
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This topic was never made to get PS3 vs 360, but people came in knocking on this fabolous game calling it trash and clinging to Forza 3. When I see responses like that I couldn't just sit and watch how biast people's opinions are, but to each his own.
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agreed lol.. i mean its not like its a GT5 vs forza thread... but for what its worth... forza is well... forza... I mean if a company is taking 5 years to make a game... and they happened to be good enough for Nissan to let them design their GTRs center info display... and the owner of the company happens to be a perfectionist car nut who has many ford gts and ZR1s ... its gotta be working on something good... forza seems like it cranks out a new game every 2 years... feels like a maddenish franchise....
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it shouldn't take 5+ years to make a game IMO
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LOL... many many many games have taken 5+ years to make... its VERY intensive... especially when you wish to model real life cars in real life tracks...do you have any idea how much r&d needs to happen to get every tree and mirror and other minor detail correct? Pro drivers use GT5s tracks to learn when to brake and when to be conservative... they use trees / buildings / land marks alike to learn how to drive their car well on that track... how do you imagine all that research will not take 5 years? I would think just going and gathering the data would take that much time...
Think about it.. they had to scan each and every car to get the models in the highest detail possible... and then they had to drive em around to make sure the car drove exactly as it would in real life (gearing / etc etc etc)... Not to mention... learning how to make all this **** work on the PS3 HW... its a DAUNTING task... and I am somewhat thrilled it will be here so soon... its not just a game... its a simulator... |
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Couple of new pics from GTplanet.net check em out.
GT5 images -updated with HD gameplay shots @ posts 146 & 152- - Page 8 - GTP Forums |
here is a trailer of the damage physics in gt5. and honestly if this is the best they can do i will be greatly disappointed. i mean no scratches or anything
Gran Turismo 5 Video Game, GC 09: Car Damage (Cam) | Game Trailers & Videos | GameTrailers.com |
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Example: The Evo IX in GT5P. Handles/drives NOTHING like an Evo IX in real life. It's a complete failure. Example: The 350Z handles/drives NOTHING like a 350Z does in real life. It's another complete failure. In Forza 2, they do EXACTLY what I would expect them to do in real life. The Evo pushes when I know it would push, oversteers when I know it should (which ain't often LOL), is at the same MPH at the same RPM in the same gear as in real life, etc. GT doesn't replicate this at all. This is the same with the Z for the most part (didn't pay as much attention as I did to the Evo). I really, REALLY hope GT5 proves me wrong, trust me. So far, outlook is no bueno. |
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Madden-ish franchise? LOL... FM2 was leaps and bounds better than FM1 (which I didn't enjoy nearly as much as GT at the time)... damn near every area of the game was an improvement (only thing that pissed me off was that the took some race types out). After talking with people that have actually played FM3 the same can be said about it's improvement over FM2, except they haven't been able to think of any negatives. You know anyone that's actually played GT5 and can comment? ANYWAYS, I'm just gonna lay off the subject now since nobody is gonna give up any ground. Can't wait to compare both side-by-side. |
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You have to be insane to compare Forza to GT. Say what you want about GT, but Forza has been ahead in physics and damage since the ORIGINAL Forza.
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GT5 ftw
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The only assist I remember using was ABS.
Let me see if I can find a friend with a copy and I'll let you know the specifics. |
ABS is a must! in both games. i simply cant race without it.
as for the discussion, picking up my ps3 slim monday along with gt5p and i preordered forza 3 already, so i can give u all real updates soon enough when i have both games. i have both expensive steering wheels, so ITS ON! |
^ Did you get the Fanatec wheel for the 360?
DO WANT SO F*CKING BAD |
I got the G25 logitech and its AMAZING... no other wheel can come close to its precision. Just make sure you turn up the force feedback from in game :)
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The G25 is a cool wheel. But hardly amazing. The shifter is a plastic toy wrapped in leather and the pedals are too close together. It's definitely better that the other Logitech wheels, but GT5 (or at least GT5P) is not meant to work with the wheel. The clutch support is weak and it really hampers the experience. It's pretty much an on and off switch. Maybe PD will implement an actual clutch feature in the game so it works better.
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