Next Generation Gaming Systems

Dzel · 06-16-2013, 03:45 PM

Sooooo um which ones better? My head hurts and I lost myself trying to read this....

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XiP · 06-16-2013, 03:47 PM

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Caustic · 06-16-2013, 05:13 PM

No way MS is getting my money. It is way too intrusive for me just to play video games. Nothing in my house is anywhere near as intrusive as that machine except for my phone and computer. And have full control over them to config and lock them down how I want. No way to do that with the Xbone.

As far as which console is better? Don't even bother trying to figure out specs, its the library of games that matters. Most developers create a version that runs on both with no differences. It is rare that a developer will take the time to put in art assets or programming effort to make a game look 3% better. It is not cost effective.

Mr&Mrs · 06-16-2013, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RoshDawg

Thanks again for all the info Mr&Mrs and Firehawk!

Still am confused why console hardware can't be upgraded with future tech from AMD. Similar to what the N64 did with that additional memory pack or whatever that was in order to play the more memory intensive games.

I agree with the importance of the 4K support, although we'll have to wait for 4K games to come out. By that time, PS4 may come out with a refresh version (similar to PS3 Slim) that supports 4K? Who knows.

So what your saying is they want you to buy their system now, and again when they support 4k output. Man Sony wouldn't do that they are the good guys!

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

There are some distinct differences even though the architecture is very very very similar. The PS4 chip looks more like what AMD is selling now, but no specs have been discussed with regards to speeds, gpu cores, etc. Having GDDR5 may not make it any faster, but it does help with bandwidth. With DDR5 having a quad multiplier instead a dual multiplier like DDR3, it's bus sizes can be half the size as DDR3 and match bandwidth, or can have the same size memory bus and have twice the bandwidth (given same base clock speeds). If the game is memory intensive, GDDR5 will definitely be an advantage. Xbox does have ESRAM though. This is basically a $hit ton of shared L4 cache for use between the CPU and GPU. It allows 50gbps+ speeds between the cpu and gpu to share. This lets both the CPU and GPU to look at what needs processed and share the load. For instance, if the GPU is being taxed and AI or physics needs processed, the CPU can pull that and execute it for the GPU. Not only that but it works just as memory would on a normal graphics card. What I don't know is how much ESRAM they have. (Read this review of Intels new processor for a very good idea of what ES ram does as it has something similar too Anandtech Haswell 5200 review) Keep in mind both are using AMD architecture for both the CPU and GPU. This will definitely help optimize games for both consoles as well as PC games very easily and quickly as they are all X86 based.

Nice write up and is kind of what I was getting at. The PS4 has the potential for better graphics will we see it? Doubtful, will it run a little smoother? Probably but not to a degree we can see physically.

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Originally Posted by Dzel

Sooooo um which ones better? My head hurts and I lost myself trying to read this....

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Haha sorry trying to get all the tech geek info out too. I guess what I was getting at with all that info is...that there is more than one way to skin a cat. Both systems are going to get in done remarkably well just in a little different manner.

For me my choice is for the best in online gaming experience putting everything else aside. That is what im trying to figure out with the previous generation systems it was the 360 hands down. The only reason Sony caught up in sales was because of the online gaming being free. Well thats over now.

I am trying very hard to find numbers for the PS4 on those lines but they have not released any info. It is really starting to bother me that they are being so tight liped. Microsoft may be saying things people dont want to hear but at least they have the balls to do it.

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Originally Posted by XiP

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Originally Posted by Caustic

No way MS is getting my money. It is way too intrusive for me just to play video games. Nothing in my house is anywhere near as intrusive as that machine except for my phone and computer. And have full control over them to config and lock them down how I want. No way to do that with the Xbone.

As far as which console is better? Don't even bother trying to figure out specs, its the library of games that matters. Most developers create a version that runs on both with no differences. It is rare that a developer will take the time to put in art assets or programming effort to make a game look 3% better. It is not cost effective.

This day and age the only way to stay away from big brother is being off the grid. The fact you even post on this forum ruins that, you have been logged not matter what you do to your personal system/network. We could go way off topic with that, but I just had to say those couple words

The second part of your comment is 100% true and I mentioned it above in different words.

Caustic · 06-16-2013, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr&Mrs

This day and age the only way to stay away from big brother is being off the grid. The fact you even post on this forum ruins that, you have been logged not matter what you do to your personal system/network. We could go way off topic with that, but I just had to say those couple words

No question, but my issue is the degree of importance. I find it ridiculous that an entertainment system for something as trivial as video games has elements of DRM, lockdown on ownership of items we buy, information reporting, and general inconvenience just to play a damn game.

When entertainment has elements and issues that I have to "just deal with" or overcome so I can have fun, it puts a damper on things. We don't even own the games we buy. I can't go to my buddy's house to show off my new game without having to jump through hoops. I can't lend it to him if I wanted to, I can't resell it if I want, I can't even give it to my girlfriend's little brother after I am done with it and collecting dust.

So if my internet connection is down for 2 or 3 days for some dumb reason, I'm SOL to play my $60 single player games on my $400 console?

I think it is complete arrogance on MS's part. And I have choice of whether or not to buy it.

Sorry to rant and it wasn't really directed to you Mr&Mrs.

Chuck33079 · 06-16-2013, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Caustic

I think it is complete arrogance on MS's part.

That's exactly what it is, especially in their handling of the backlash. Telling an E3 reporter that if people can't get internet they can buy a 360? Wow. Just when they had taken a significant market share from Sony in the last generation of the console wars, they go and give it right back.

Mr&Mrs · 06-16-2013, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Caustic

No question, but my issue is the degree of importance. I find it ridiculous that an entertainment system for something as trivial as video games has elements of DRM, lockdown on ownership of items we buy, information reporting, and general inconvenience just to play a damn game.

When entertainment has elements and issues that I have to "just deal with" or overcome so I can have fun, it puts a damper on things. We don't even own the games we buy. I can't go to my buddy's house to show off my new game without having to jump through hoops. I can't lend it to him if I wanted to, I can't resell it if I want, I can't even give it to my girlfriend's little brother after I am done with it and collecting dust.

So if my internet connection is down for 2 or 3 days for some dumb reason, I'm SOL to play my $60 single player games on my $400 console?

I think it is complete arrogance on MS's part. And I have choice of whether or not to buy it.

Sorry to rant and it wasn't really directed to you Mr&Mrs.

One thing that needs to be clear is that both Microsoft and Sony are allowing the developers to choose how strict their DRM is. If they choose to have none then the game will have none. It is not up to either company. What Sony has said is that their (and by that I mean Sony) games will be DRM free.

We cant get to upset at these things because people stealing is what has made things come to this. I hope, HOPE that having DRM will allow games to be cheaper one day for everyone.

Also from what I understand you will be able to have a certain number of people on your friends list that can play any games you have to try them out. Up to the developers you will be able to sell/trade games also.

No problem rants are welcome in this thread!

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

That's exactly what it is, especially in their handling of the backlash. Telling an E3 reporter that if people can't get internet they can buy a 360? Wow. Just when they had taken a significant market share from Sony in the last generation of the console wars, they go and give it right back.

Im a little cold so I see nothing wrong with that. Xbox 360s will probably drop to 100.00 by Christmas. So if people do not already have one it will be a great time for them to get it. Unless there is a major power grid failure your not going to be without internet for more than a day or two. If you cant go that long without a game you have more problems.

It just sounds like a reason to complain to me, im sorry.

Chuck33079 · 06-16-2013, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr&Mrs

Im a little cold so I see nothing wrong with that. Xbox 360s will probably drop to 100.00 by Christmas. So if people do not already have one it will be a great time for them to get it.

I don't care personally. From a media/public relations standpoint, I can't describe their strategy without using the word "cluster."

Mr&Mrs · 06-16-2013, 10:10 PM

I agree some of the higher ups have got to be scratching their heads. I find it a little funny myself though.

Chuck33079 · 06-16-2013, 10:13 PM

It's like they read a book on how to market a new product and did the exact opposite every step of the way.

Mr&Mrs · 06-16-2013, 10:20 PM

Yep and the biggest problem now is any kind of recovery attempt just looks like them indirectly admitting some kind of fault. Which I think will make things worse.

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It's like they read a book on how to market a new product and did the exact opposite every step of the way.

Chuck33079 · 06-16-2013, 10:21 PM

Exactly. They're married to their strategy at this point, and it's not going to go well for them.

Mr&Mrs · 06-17-2013, 01:48 AM

I seem to have found a privacy statement from Microsoft on the Kinect but I can not get on their website from work to check it out. I pulled this little bit of info for my previous question about two being in the same room.

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im afraid with the always on Kinect me saying "Xbox On" is going to turn on both systems.

You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused: If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say “Xbox Off.” When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences.

There was alot more info on the Kinect and Privacy but im waiting until I can confirm it from a legit source before I post it all.

Edit: Here is the link http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/privacy

RoshDawg · 06-17-2013, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr&Mrs

I seem to have found a privacy statement from Microsoft on the Kinect but I can not get on their website from work to check it out. I pulled this little bit of info for my previous question about two being in the same room.

You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused: If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say “Xbox Off.” When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences.

There was alot more info on the Kinect and Privacy but im waiting until I can confirm it from a legit source before I post it all.

Edit: Here is the link Xbox Wire

Oh perfect for you then! You can just have one system use voice commands, while your wife's Xbox won't (heck you'll use those voice commands more than she would!)

Also check this out:
DayZ on the Xbox One? Ball is in Microsoft's court | Polygon
This is one of my all time games I have been looking forward to! I'm trying to shift away from pc gaming as my office is isolated, but my tv room connected to the kitchen (where she does her paperwork/vet school stuff stuff on the dining table, cooks in the kitchen or watches tv) is not isolated (and I spend enough time there as it is). And it's only fair to be in the same room when she's cooking for us. By then ill probably have both, but sucks that Xbox is not publisher friendly.

ElVee · 06-17-2013, 11:41 AM

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May I ask, why have 2 xbox's/tv's in the same room? Not a fan of split screen I take it?

Not to get off topic, but a friend of mine has 3 50"+ screens in his living room (all on the same wall) with 3 separate xbox360 systems that we use to play Call of Duty (or other games) with on the weekends. Well worth the money, imo. If I had two gamers in my household I'd do it that way.

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Caustic Base Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 243 Drives: '02 Acura NSX Rep Power: 13	No way MS is getting my money. It is way too intrusive for me just to play video games. Nothing in my house is anywhere near as intrusive as that machine except for my phone and computer. And have full control over them to config and lock them down how I want. No way to do that with the Xbone. As far as which console is better? Don't even bother trying to figure out specs, its the library of games that matters. Most developers create a version that runs on both with no differences. It is rare that a developer will take the time to put in art assets or programming effort to make a game look 3% better. It is not cost effective. Mr&Mrs likes this.

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