Yeah my days of sharing a screen are over. If it ever becomes a problem we are set up to add two more TV's/Systems as well. I doubt that will ever happen though just dont have enough gamer friends that would stay up all night playing with me Lol

i saw a video on youtube (that summarizes xbox one).

Pretty much about the game disc being installed into your own xbox one hard drive,
but then the disc no longer has a purpose afterwards. Then they stated "well what if your friends have an xbox one and just use YOUR* disc and install it into their own xbox one hard drive and pay that small fee".

They will lose money like that, wont they?

Yes and no.
This will eliminate the buy a disc for X amount and then share with 10 friends with the developers only getting the original X price. Now they can make X plus a small fee per registration.

Do people rent games anymore? Definitely much of my childhood allowance went to rentals, but since college I'm afraid I know nothing of the practice.

All of the games or discs will have a license, once it is used, it can't be used again unless it is DRM free. I doubt very many games will be without DRM of some kind though. You can give away the license up to one time though to a friend or family member. At that point you would no longer be able to play the game. Unless you are in the group of friend's that have access to their cloud. That defeats the purpose of giving away the game anyway because if they are already in that group they can just play it off of your cloud. You cannot play the same game together on different systems though, just like now you would need two discs or two licenses.

People are getting too worried over this DRM nonsense and Kinect spying on you. It's mostly due to bad media, and horrible Microsoft Public Relations. The answers are out there but people are too lazy to find them and just go by what they hear.

I also found out that up to 9 people on one system can have Gold access with just one subscription to Gold. This is great for families with more than one child, they no longer need more than one Gold account unless each kid has their own system.

I got a little long winded on that response I hope I answered your question.

Gamefly is pretty successful, or was, that is the only company I see suffering from this at least with Xbox One. In my area there are no more storefronts for movies or game rentals, just those shiny red boxes.

Thanks for the info.
I don't even share my games, i mostly just buy the games that i enjoy the story mode and online game play (COD, Halo, Fifa, BF). Those are the games i keep... the other games that mainly just story base mode i buy them used and resale. I guess those types i'll switch it over and get them for PS4.

Just remember at Developers discretion they can enforce DRM on the PS4 games as well. I do not see it being much different than the Xbox One. If they do it for one system they are going to do it for both.

So I can buy a game, I can give my brother my gaming cloud username/password and he can play it too? (Albeit only at different times) Sort of like Steam on the PC? If so, that's pretty neat.

You will have up to 10 friends ( I believe ) that you designate with a special tag of some sort. They have access to your games in the cloud. Will it be a trial for a few hours or the entire game is not 100% clear yet.

My understanding is that if someone is in your family or friend circle of 10 people, they can have access to all of your shared games at any time but only one of them can play at a time. You can always play your own games at any time, even if someone else is playing. So it really sounds pretty incredible and Microsoft really needs to explain things a lot better because people are freaking out but its really not as bad as people are making it out to be.

Thank you.

With that said I kind of got in a little scuff on Xbox Live last night with a friend. He said he is not getting the Xbox One. I asked why? I said there are alot of rumors going around that are not true.

When he continued on it more or less came out that everyone is talking **** about it so I do not want it. I gave him all the correct info I posted here and where to read it for himself. So with all his hearsay being debunked....

His final argument was that it is not fair for poor people so he was not going to get it. It is not fair that poor people can not play it offline and it costs to much. He also had to point out the comment "If they don't have internet they can play an Xbox 360". Only he wasn't even close and added a bunch of fluff to it. Microsoft was simply saying they have an option for people with no internet. It is going to have continued support and has some awesome games being released as well. Did it come out right when they said it? No.

Last but not least their fiends will make fun of them because they cant play Online. WHAT???!!! THATS A REASON????

That really pissed me off because it make no logical sense. I went on to tell him that people being poor is not the problem. It is an anger and outrage caused by bad information and people being afraid to say what I am after their initial response. Look at my first few posts I wasn't exactly thrilled with Microsoft. How ever I can admit I was wrong and try to help others understand.

So the logical reasons this will not effect poor people....

#1 If they are so poor that they can not afford internet I doubt they can make a 500.00 "fun" purchase to begin with.
#2 If they cant play online with the new system how in the hell are they playing online with the current one? Exactly they are already being made fun of. Lets not blame Microsoft for people being bullied.
#3 PS4 is also charging to play online now so they would still be stuck offline with it. Oh no here comes the bullies!
#4 THE PS4 IS STILL 400 DOLLARS! That is not a very big difference. I do not think an extra 100.00 is going to put that many poor people into a new system.

I bet 90% of them are running around with 80-90 dollar a month cell phone bills. Why not get a Metro, Boost, Virgin (ones in my area) phone that does all the same things for half the price? BOOM! There is your internet connection. Man that was tough wasn't it? I have to let my social status iPhone go :crying: WAHH!!! Those phones only are needed by people running a business or that need access to email/internet all day for their jobs. Not so "Like a G6" can play when you get a call. I realize some people may already have a cheap phone and still not afford internet internet, and I have other input that could help that, but wont go into it here.

I do not want people to get the wrong idea with this post and think I have no heart. I do. I contribute a decent sum of every pay check to my local United Way, and participate in Day of Caring benefits. I also donate hefty sums throughout the Holidays to feed families, and supply them gifts.

Sorry for the long rant but this topic has been mentioned enough times that I had to spell it out here too. If you can afford any of these items someone else that cant should not be a reason for you to not get it. Life isnt fair people!

I play quite a bit of Call of Duty. Based on the people who talk on there, there are plenty of poor people who have an xbox, the game, and an internet connection to talk smack on. :) I swear, I feel dumber after every other gaming session for it.

I think your friend just wanted to stick to his original argument and not admit to being wrong. (A very, very, very common behavioral trait.) But he does have a couple points (sort of).

Microsoft has a LOT of damage control to take care of, and some PR heads need to roll for not just being bad, but letting Sony take complete advantage of the situation. All of this confusion should never have happened. Clearly Sony has their gameplan in place and Microsoft is still unsure what's going on.

And the XBONE will cost more than the PS4 for now. That's a decently big deal, to be honest. Not a killer one, but it's an important consideration. Something Sony knows too well since the PS3's high original price. Microsoft needs to match that, or get very, very close to it.

I have a few friends that are like that, they are not buy a Xbox One because of all the BS on the internet. And yet...this is how it goes usually.

-So you do not want to have to connect all the time, but you play online everyday?
*Well, yeah but I don't want it to connect.

-So you are upset you have to buy it with a kinect yet you uses your v1.0 all the time & said before you wanted the updated one?
*Well, yeah but what if I did not want it?
-So you don't want the kinect 2.0?
*Well, no I want it.

So and so forth, and then when you say the fact they just back pedal and go. Well the PS4 has random X item, which I have never mentioned before nor will ever need but it makes my claim better now. :facepalm:

I've just about concluded I won't be getting anything on Day One. Can't be bothered with the XBox One unless something dramatically changes (not even mad about DRM or anything, just don't see me splashing out for it so quickly, and look what happened on 1st gen 360s!), and the PS4 has no game that interests me, nor do I give two cents about the social integration. Last thing I need is every 12 year old spamming the social button and then shouting how you're on his latest killcam.

Some responses about kinect are funny. Microsoft has confirmed you can turn Kinect off so it's defunct; all the system does is check if the peripheral is there. Don't like it? Do what I do at work: put a post it on top of the camera.

It's been mentioned before but if XBox goes through with their game sharing philosophy, gamefly is f*cked.

I agree, neither is really a day 1 buy but nor was a 360 or PS3.
I picked up a PS3 when they produced the 40GB version without BC and has survived since then. I am leaning towards the One this time for the home integration setup, but no games making me really jump.

I forgot to mention the Kinect/privacy aspect. That being a reason to not get the Xbox One I understand to a degree. Someone wanting their privacy is very important and you should feel 100% satisfied in knowing that it is secure.

It just does not bother me because I have come to realize our privacy is already gone whether we think it is or not. If they want information they will get it. Would the Kinect possibly be an easier route for them to obtain information? Yes. Do I think that is the purpose of it? No. I truly believe when they say I can turn it off (it does need to remain plugged in) that it is off, and will stay off.

I feel like a Microsoft advocate all of a sudden :icon17: Both systems are going to be great. We are going to have a blast over the next 10-15 years with them. If you choose the PS4 over the Xbox One, great, just do it for the right reasons. Not because "Everyone else is doing it".

There is no denying Microsoft delivered the best online gaming experience with the current (soon to be last) generation of gaming. I am 100% confident they will deliver again and that is why I am choosing them over the PS4 (for online gaming). Heck it was designed to be online at all times. Makes sense it would be the best route for online gaming.

P.S im also getting a PS4 I like both!

As someone looking to purchase a house, honestly if I had to choose one RIGHT NOW, it'd be the XBox One. I like the idea of having everything fully integrated.

Everybody is yelling at MSFT because there are devices that do things better than the XBox One claims its capabilities to be, but I can see what Microsoft is doing here. YES there are multiple devices, but why deal with 7 remotes when you have just one? I'd love to have a house TV with just my XBox underneath it, controlling everything. Easy as hell to clean up :tup:

I agree with privacy - if you're signed up for Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, ANYTHING SOCIAL - you're already giving up the majority of your privacy rights. Are you really going to draw the line at a video game machine? It's the most backwards way possible for the government to 'spy' on you...and again, it's fixed with a simple post it :tup:

Good point, Sony did suffer quite a bit from their price point. Also dont forget how many Xbox 360's were already sitting in the comfort of a new home before the PS3 was released. That hurt their sales alot as well.

:rofl2:

I hate the social integration as well. If you are a person (im not) that uses a social media outlet and have a lot of friends that game look out. Your phone/email is going to blow up with a bunch of the same BS kill feeds/"highlights". I hope there is a way to block them.

They should make a scary movie featuring the Kinect as the view from the bushes of the hot blonde in the shower right before it shoots a laser that makes her head explode. Not before sending a bunch of images to the guys at NSA to jerk off to though :rofl2:

I am a little worried for GameFly and hope the developers can possibly come up with a way to do a dealer license of some sort. Kind of how Microsoft does with PC builders. Im not to sure how that stuff works or if its possible. Its a thought anyway....

Well put!

THE NEW XBOX ONE WANTS ALL YOUR DATA!!! IT IS A PRIVACY ISSUE!!!! - Posted on Facebook :rofl2:

http://gizmodo.com/microsoft-might-b...ting-514393553

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18rc...g/original.jpg

Again, xbox one is not an option for me in part because of privacy. This and some other car forums are my social interface. If you drill enough down, you can find me, but I don't just throw it out there.

Microsoft doesn't need to listen in on me, look at pictures of my stuff, or enable a motivated hacker to do the same.

Also it is overpriced due to the kinect being mandatory.

And there are other reasons.

Just restating my position in the midst of all this privacy exasperation sentiment

Hide all you want shado, I'll still find you :yum:

You were lookin for me? Mebbe nao I buy one...


For teh bedroom :yum:

Was it the scary movie comment? :icon17:

That is why I said you deserve to feel 100% secure. I was just stating I do. By design you can not hack systems in a manner to control them. At most you can hack into the MS servers and steal account info. Which did happen to me on one of my accounts. Some kid spent all my points on FIFA soccer downloads.

I agree the Xbox One is not for you :tup:

Unlike Sony all of my CC information was encrypted and not stolen in the process. Lets not forget about this Sony Network Outage

:roflpuke2: :yum: <3

I mostly just don't want the device to need it's camera on and take pictures of me and automatically share them with my friends for whatever reason. I'm not too concerned with hackers or the like; being in the industry, that risk is just really not a big deal. For me, it's mostly the sharing and access to things without me specifically granting access or sharing them.

Kinda similar to how some apps want your Facebook/Twitter account and then opt you into sharing what you just watched, clicked on, took a picture of, read, searched for, etc.

http://kotaku.com/microsoft-is-remov...-drm-514390310

While it may not have been important for some of you, it was certainly important enough for MS to change policy due to the rest of the community backlash.

Xbox One Update
Yes!!!!!

XBox One Eighty :rofl2:

ROFL :rofl2:

Xbox One Will Not Require Internet, Restrict Used Games - IGN

official now on IGN as well. Looks like that ruins the ability to have friends play your shared games free... great that microsoft listened to the complaints and changed their standing. But not great that people dont get all their facts straight before complaining and jumping on the bandwagon.

It's great that ms responded... After sony publicly shamed them lol


But honestly, it was a smart move for them to reverse course. Credit is due.

The new Xbox is wack. Time for Playstation to take over. Almost every single xboxer I know is switching. Its over priced, underpowered and trying to appeal to a broader audience which will drive away their faithful. I will say though, the stuff Ive seen showing off Microsoft Lightroom looks pretty cool. Im a die hard ps fan and will revel in the demise of the xbox. Although, my ps3 has been collecting dust since I finally opened my eyes to the PC gaming world. I built a nice rig and while I will have a ps4 I dont think Ill see myself console gaming much.

Speaking of PC rigs, my 560ti's are long in the tooth. So is my 1366 board... Just can't get myself to give up on my 980X just yet though!

I think it was a cowards way out. What they needed to try and do was clearly explain everything to people in the coming months. People are so pig headed though who knows if it would have worked. We are now probably losing some great features because of this.

:bowrofl:

This :iagree: This is going to be a case of getting what you asked for.

All Sony did was capitalize on the public's stupidity. A better reverse course would have been to actually explain themselves better and hope people grasped it better.

Im sorry but this entire post sounds arrogant and ignorant. Your a "die hard fan" which basically means good or bad you will stick behind a product.

The Xbox One underpowered? The way the power is used is on a level Sony could only dream of. You need to understand how the Xbox One is going to work before you make blind accusations about it. The PS4 has bigger on paper numbers, big deal. The way the Xbox allocates RAM and Cloud Computing is light years ahead of the extra Speed/Power of the PS4's GPU.

I will get a Xbox one but I will not get it on release I will wait a few months and let Microsoft work out all the little bugs.

I made the mistake and got the Xbox 360 on release. The first got 3 rings of death, 2nd= 3 rings of death, and 3rd has lasted the last 7 years. It def sounds like it is on its last leg tho. Hopefully Microsoft does not do like they when they first released the 360 and offer some shitastic warranty and just stick with the 1 year.

Hmmm, I believe I even complimented Lightroom in that post. Sorry, but most Xbox owners I know are planning on switching, that's just a fact from what Ive experienced. Not to mention what just about ever Xboxer I see posts in comments sections below EVERY article I read. Now that Microsoft realized that the once a day internet connection and no trading of games was a miserable idea they may regain some support. Didn't mean to hurt the Xbox fanboys in here. Its cool, once the systems hit the market we will see what unfolds.

Holy crap I wish we could re do the poll with these new Xbox policies. That was huge. I never thought such a huge corporation would actually change their stance. They allow MORE freedom to do as you please than the PS4 it seems.

$100 more and you get Kinect 2 with it? How are ppl complaining about that? This is a system you'll have (and for Xbox One's case use even after you're over console gaming with its tv integration) for so long. Ppl dish out $500 every year for new cell phones. That's the price of a new game and controller! And if you get the PS4 camera (which is vastly inferior) it's a $50 difference. Get over it!

Their specs a nearly identical, with Xbox One having the edge in cloud based gaming, which puts the load on servers instead of your Xbox.

They're both cool systems. Neither one destroys the other (unless you want entertainment integration).

I missed the console war drama. I hope it's always like this every 7ish years.