Next Generation Gaming Systems

Mr&Mrs

Please read all my posts if you have not.

Sorry if I sounded harsh but some of what you said is exactly why (myself included) people were so confused. I am no fan boy and never sounded like one in any of my posts, maybe the first one, but it was just explaining my past wit the Xbox. The rest were trying to give everyone clear details as I found them and not media/internet hype.

I love the PS3 for the use I get out of it and will be purchasing a PS4 as well. The majority of your friends were probably jumping on the hate wagon because it is the easiest thing to do. Until I started to really dig I was almost converted as well. I say that as a supporter of both systems how ever as I mentioned before, I want the best online gaming environment. Im rolling my dice with Microsoft again.

What is great about the Kinect having to be used and worth 100.00 in my opinion is simple and has been mentioned by many in the industry. With the Kinect always being there from the beginning there is no reason for developers to not use the technology. They know every Xbox One owner is going to have one. So why not develop for it?

This is going to push technology further and enhance gaming on all levels. The only way it will fail is if they can not fully integrate it with top shelf games, no one wants bunch of kiddy Wii style games.

I have thought about the times in games where I have gotten real excited, tense, scared, etc. in games. How cool it will be for the Kinect to see those emotions by facial recognition or via the heart rate monitor. Then actively change the game to those conditions.

I cant wait to see what comes over the next few years.

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RoshDawg

You're spot on with the Kinect! I can see it fully integrating with tactical shooters where you can give voice commands to your AI teammates or the various military hand signals and so on. Can't wait till I get my hands on my own Xbox One.

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I love Microsoft.

red2010z

Microsoft will sell more!

I am just glad I don't have to hear "well my PS3 has blu-ray"

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red2010z

PS4 winning cause the simple fact it is going to cheaper to play online. Just like I tell everyone I work with who is all about the PS3 with the Xbox you are paying to play with quality players and a quality network.

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shadoquad

lol I've often been subject to a litany of immature and vulgar insults from "quality players" on xbl.

red2010z

Hey I love the kiddies bowling!

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red2010z

Every system is going to have little kids cause used mom and pops CC number to get on Live. The good thing about Xbox charging is that less immature kids are on the network. Hell PS3 anybody with a internet connection can get on.

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Dzel

I have a question call it dumb of you want but can Microsoft later change their mind and do the license thing?

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Ahhhh... Did i miss somehing here? I was planning on getting the Xbox One..... Should I hold out on it? the link on the other page is not working for me..... Whats the deal with it? in a nut shell...?

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Can they? Without a doubt, yes.
The real question is, will they? And the only answer is... maybe? It would certainly be a very bad PR move, but that hasn't stopped them before

On the plus side, I did read an article that stated they plan to continue with the cloud computing. So I'm curious to what extent and how they will implement it.

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Mr&Mrs

Do people really think Microsoft didnt know this? They were willing to stretch their necks to try and make the next step. Which is DRM controlled by the developers. It backfired pretty bad on them

I wasnt blaming Sony for anything. If thats how you and others took it let me explain. People were basically saying how smart Sony was, and how awesome they were at E3 (yet the majority agree their game line up is limp). I was simply saying exactly what you did. Its Business 101, doesn't impress me, I would expect a company to do that on the other end. I was just trying to take away some of the credit people were giving them.

From the PR perspective once again I agree. I think it was saber who mentioned bailing out to quickly. That is exactly how I feel. As you and I both mentioned they should have taken the time to better explain all the confusing details. Man they have 4 more months to do it!

I have never scratched a disc. I am very OCD about my games though, to the point that I freak out if anyone opens the pages of the start up books they come with. If I sell something I have touched I want it to look and perform perfect. I say those things but the truth is I only lend games to my father in law anymore, and I have maybe sold 3 games in the last 7 years. I do not have the time to beat games in one day like when I was a child. So by the time I can trade one or sell it, it makes me feel better to just keep it. Since I usually pick them up on release day/week and pay 60.00 it is to much of a loss in my eyes.

So the revolution to me would be not accumulating anymore discs like I did over the last 15 years or so. It would be nice to take my Xbox One anywhere I want and with a simple internet connection access my games anywhere in the world. Yeah I get that some places do not have internet so being able to play offline would be a nice benefit. This is where my term "pig headed" comes into play. In the last 5-10 years how many places have you been to that do not have internet access? In the next 5-10 years how may of those places do you think will still not have internet? Come on people it just isnt a valid argument to me. It is something to gripe about.

Here is something to think about.

Out of 70 million Xbox owners over 46 million that own the system have Xbox Live. (Reference here: Systems Sold and here Live Subscribers) That is pretty outstanding if you consider the PS3 network being free up to this point. With the new generation that is now an even playing field. Who knows how many out of those 70 million have internet access as well. I would be willing to bet it is a rather large amount.

I can understand peoples excitement with the PS4's support of indie game developers. Microsoft has support for them as well but it costs more. Does that keep a lot the indie developers away? You betcha!

Back to a little Business 101 here. The number 1 goal of any business should be making money, and keeping a money flow in the realm of profits, at least that's what I would do. Microsoft any Sony alike have lost their shirts on the last generation. Read this: 360 and PS3 loses

If we have another 8-10 years of those losses I do not think we will see another round of these debates. 99% of indie games are flops just like the movies. Why eat up resources catering to everyone that can do some simple 2D or 3D animations. Lets charge some money and weed out some of the wastes of time and server space.

Maybe that is why Microsoft went with a little cheaper RAM (DDR3) and a slightly lower performing GPU even though it is currently a 150.00 unit. Maybe they will make 5.00 off the new systems. Shame on them right? I am blown away by so many people thinking things should be free. If everything was free we wouldnt have the things we have today.

Luckily both of these companies have massive revenue in other sectors. This sector will not last for ever though if it continues to be a money pit.
I hope one of these two companies set themselves up for some profit this time around so we can continue to have these items of entertainment.

Once again for the online experience im choosing the Xbox One. You get what you pay for, and if there are profits being made it is only going to be a better experience for me.

Good its hard to read someones text and know their attitude/demeanor. I love the input man it allows me to come back with more response to questions others may have but not asked. SO heres some more spice for your

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shadoquad

Sony deserves plenty of credit for how they played the media. I don't care if it was "Business 101", they are a business. Microsoft is also a business and should have known better than making a huge PR mistake during the biggest consumer electronics show of the year and on the dawn of releasing their next console. But I can also agree that an informed consumer will judge the consoles on their merits and care less about PR. Unfortunately, the mass populace is not completely composed of informed or objective consumers.

That's just you, then. Plenty of people sell back their disks, because after a year or so, your 60 dollar game just isn't worth that, whether you shine it up and keep it on a shelf or trade it back. YOU might think it's worth that, but you've already spent your 60 dollars and now the game is just a memento of what was. It's a bit ridiculous to me to say that it's a "revolution" for you to not have a stack of disk, when you could have just taken them to a gamestop and sold them for chicken feed. But I also understand cloud gaming advantages. I get that. I just don't buy your "revolution" argument as it relates to clutter... clean your room

In the last 5-10 years, have you NEVER once had an internet service outage? Not once? Because not everyone falls into that category. Sometimes my internet service has an issue, but I'd still like to play a game. It's a valid complaint. Unless MS was providing and guaranteeing that connection, they shouldn't make your every gameplay experience hinge on it. And if you go to Zdayz or a remote mountain resort, you will not have internet in your cabin.


Here is something to think about.

And again, out of those 70 million, how many have had an outage now and again, but still have power on?
Advantage: PS4
So now it's good business practice to throw away indie gamers?! lol wow, that's stretching. Would it not be prudent to encourage more and more young and emerging developing talent to develop for one's console and market their experiments on there? Doesn't that bode for a brighter future? XBox took advantage of that in the last generation and are now ignoring it, and you're praising them for it... Now who's pig-headed?

They went cheaper. Their product is cheaper but costs more. Here's business 101 for you.
Online experience isn't a big sell for me. I will miss my XBL friends, but I'll make others in PS land.

What I find hilarious is how "not having disks cluttering my house because I refuse to sell them" and "having multiple remote controls" constitutes reason for a "revolution in gaming" by using cloud games and having a voice activated Xbox control your various systems. If that does it for you, then great, but I don't find anything revolutionary about that, in the least. So revolutionary that a PC with steam has been capable of doing it for how long? And is Sony totally ignoring cloud gaming? Any word on that?

There are people who enjoy game consoles for being, well, game consoles. To me, there's little beneficial about making them into less capable computers and entertainment centers that also happen to play games.



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ElVee

Sony deserves credit for certainly going into this with a clear gameplan. Microsoft deserves to be reamed a bit for going into this with a very vague gameplan. I'm not sure I would say Sony played it, but sort of in a rock-paper-scissors facedown, they had the scissors to Microsoft's paper for E3.

saber

I wouldn't hold a 'vague gameplan' against Microsoft at all. I think Microsoft was just poor in execution of a very sound, progressive gameplan the conservative market isn't ready for. Steam is JUST BARELY going mainstream, and Microsoft sought to duplicate it on XBox.

They see the market winds and know things will go fully digital sooner or later, and they wanted to jump the gun.

Sony, to me, is playing the kiddy role of volleying insults back Microsoft's way every chance they get. Their entire conference home run was built on "Oh hey, look what we're NOT doing compared to those idiots!" Their E3 conference was long, confusing, light on games that interested me (and many others I think), and just not that interesting to me at all.

But it's just a very different approach to Microsoft. I think Sony is still smarting from the failure of the PS3 (relatively speaking to the pure awesomeness that was the PS2), and they wanted to make sure they got their core demographic appeased. It's a strong position, but I think years down the line, the potential in the XBox One will be more easily harnessed than the potential of the PS4.

edit: I really am disappointed that Microsoft had to fold their hand amidst public pressure. XBox One had the potential to be Steam-like, but the general public just wasn't ready for it. I think it was a brilliant idea that, with a little more aplomb, would have been really cool...even though region locking meant I would have never been able to leech my Japanese XBox games off of my friends. Assuming they do release in Japan...haha

XBox Gold membership: how much are you guys (who have XBLG) paying??? I'm really confused now, I pay a one time fee of 50 bucks every year and I have XBox Gold. What is this $15/month nonsense??? I can stomach $5/month...and especially if it'll give me access to all sorts of TV stuff!

(I MIIIIIGHT have accidentally convinced myself to buy an XBox One...)

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