Forged Fail: ZdayZ Airstrip Ban

Red__Zed

Shoddy work is shoddy work.

Most of the rest of the handling is actually pretty good for the car industry. Customer service is generally terrible (compared to what folks are used to) on anything close to a large build.

If you want it done right, do it yourself.
If you want it done fast, do it yourself.

FPenvy

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Haboob

I guarantee you that if I do it myself it won't be right or fast.

I don't have that kind of knowledge or patience to do something like this.

Plus... it's my DD, so I couldn't.




Then again it's all moot, because I don't have that kind of cash to throw around (yet).

I'm buying a damn lottery ticket tonight.

edub370

jalopnik somehow provided great info and terrible info all at once. clearly some corners were cut with the workmanship, and clearly the owner made some bad mid-build decisions, but neither is completely in the wrong here. i say those 2 should kiss and make up

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Haboob

That won't happen now, because the damage to Forged has been done.

It's out there and there are people who have read it once and formed their opinion. It's unfortunate, but it's how the cookie crumbles.





You rarely hear about the good stuff, but always, always hear about the bad stuff.

chrischhorn

I lol'd at the "Lets just act like I overslept" comment from Shariff but whatever. Glad it got "resolved."

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COSMO

Hey sharif I don't suppose you remember me me? Yeah Iam the guy who referred you to fix the issues with my tt 350z and you absolutely screwed them out of over 17k. The car came back worse than before it came to you. Charged for another turbo in which you guys screwed up, damaged front bumber in which was never fixed by your transportation guy, $1200 for 2 rear tires... I can go on and on my friend and you know who I am. We had to end up taking your screw up to Scarab motor sports in texas to fix what you didn't even after you charged him over 17k.. Just because some people don't know much about cars doesn't give the right to screw them over. Listen people Iam not trying to start crap here but my old friend sheriff is no angel and I wouldn't dare bring anything I to his place of business after seeing what he did to the people who bought my tt 350z... Piss on you sharif and if I ever see you again I will tell you to your face...

JARblue

this seems like a good time to get

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Haboob

Definitely now, after the previous post before yours!

wstar

Oh god, is this turning into Bash Forged Thread #2?

I'm not gonna go out on a limb defending them or bashing them. Like I said, eventually every longer-term well-known shop goes through some drama like this, and it's too easy to get more worked up about it than it deserves. Right now Forged is in the midst of a PR battle over this GT-R incident, of course they're gonna care about keeping people that have bashed on them excessively out of their own events.

While we're on the subject: I was having this sort of philosophical conversation about all of this with a friend a couple days ago while he was helping me work on the Z. We were talking about the whole do-it-yourself versus paying a tuner debate, and the amount of time and effort that has gone into some of our past and current projects, etc.

He brought up this related story about re-wiring the IH Scout he's currently building in his garage. He's spent weeks on that project with some custom harnesses and relay boxes and bits, getting it all perfect. Even on an older vehicle, wiring a whole car from scratch is no easy job. So his wife asked him, basically, "Why don't you just pay someone to wire this up?" Leaving aside all the "I enjoy working on my car" stuff, the bottom line as we figure it is you really *couldn't* reasonably pay someone else to do this kind of labor. It requires a little thinking and skill, and a crapton of time. If you were to charge fair labor and parts rates, you'd have to charge someone $5K just to do this wiring job, and nobody's going to pay $5K for something they can slowly get done on their own in the garage as a hobby.

This gets down to what's at the crux of all the tuner-shop debates, to me. What customers ask of them, and expect of them, costs a lot more than anyone's willing to pay, usually. Deeply modifying a car takes a lot of time, involves a lot of frustration, and it adds up to way too many hours, more than you'd think. If someone tells you they'll slap a TT setup into a non-turbo car for $12K parts+labor and be done in two weeks, you have to ask yourself what's wrong with this picture, because it doesn't add up as a business model if they're doing a really badass job on the labor.

If you've really got lots of money to burn, you can pay an expensive shop to do it right, and it will take a while. If you don't, your honest choices are do it yourself or don't do it at all (or live with something shoddy). Not that any of this necessarily has direct bearing on the recent Forged incident, but it's just food for thought in this general vein. The guy spent a lot of money, but it was over a long period on many unrelated things, and he made several design-change requests along the way that required re-work, etc. I think a lot of the tuner community has illusions about what kind of quality and timeframe you can expect for what kind of price.

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Haboob

Though, I wouldn't see why you would ban them.

When they get to your event you can basically say that they are full of it, because they'll sit there and bash you over and over, yet still pay you money to attend your event.

Discredit's said person's POV.

speedfreek

Yep if you had any real problems with FP. I doubt you would want to give them any more money. And if running on the air strip is something you just have to do then keep your mouth shut, pay them money, run your car, and be happy. That is neither the time nor place to hash things out. It will make you be the jackass. Especially if the other party handles the situation cordially while attending their event.

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