The New "What did you do with your Z today" (with off topic replies) V

kenchan · 04-16-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Yes they do.

Hmm, cause I have the Whitelines myself, F/R, and have them set on the "OEM-like" setting. So I'd like to see your thoughts as well.

I heard there was some myth that having different stiffness' on F/R based on aftermarket Front and OEM rear, or vis versa, would cause very poor handling? (Driver mod excluded)

whitelines are 36, 60% stiffness on the front and rear was like 16, 40, 60 or something. i dont remember off hand.

im here to talk experience, not myths.

if one was to swap just one swaybar on our cars, they'd net more by doing the front first, then add rear to compensate if the front was too stiff.

unless one's setting up solely for drifting, then i dont know. i dont drift. i mean, i let the rear step out sometimes, but that's not a drift...and my goal is to be able to punch out of a turn without stepping out.

i dont auto-x, but a lot of folks use stiff setting on the front and stock or no bar on the rear.

XwChriswX · 04-16-2013, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

whitelines are 36, 60% stiffness on the front and rear was like 16, 40, 60 or something. i dont remember off hand.

im here to talk experience, not myths.

if one was to swap just one swaybar on our cars, they'd net more by doing the front first, then add rear to compensate if the front was too stiff.

unless one's setting up solely for drifting, then i dont know. i dont drift. i mean, i let the rear step out sometimes, but that's not a drift...and my goal is to be able to punch out of a turn without stepping out.

i dont auto-x, but a lot of folks use stiff setting on the front and stock or no bar on the rear.

Experience of course. I wasn't trying to spread myths, but merely bring them to light so those With experience can trounce them. I don't know everything about suspension, so I'm trying to find out what I can from who I can of those with more experience.

I'm just cruious about it all because I've never had my Z come out from me in a turn (I know that means I'm not pushing hard enough

) but my thought is it doing that, and the wrong thing happening because it doesn't come back.

I do intend to track mine though, so they were not wasted purchases.

ZMan8 · 04-16-2013, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

whitelines are 36, 60% stiffness on the front and rear was like 16, 40, 60 or something. i dont remember off hand.

im here to talk experience, not myths.

if one was to swap just one swaybar on our cars, they'd net more by doing the front first, then add rear to compensate if the front was too stiff.

unless one's setting up solely for drifting, then i dont know. i dont drift. i mean, i let the rear step out sometimes, but that's not a drift...and my goal is to be able to punch out of a turn without stepping out.

i dont auto-x, but a lot of folks use stiff setting on the front and stock or no bar on the rear.

Auto x only allows one sway bar to be changed if you want to stay in street class.

Also, that's not very stiff on the whitelines... Most of the others can go much stiffer....

kenchan · 04-16-2013, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Experience of course. I wasn't trying to spread myths, but merely bring them to light so those With experience can trounce them. I don't know everything about suspension, so I'm trying to find out what I can from who I can of those with more experience.

I'm just cruious about it all because I've never had my Z come out from me in a turn (I know that means I'm not pushing hard enough

) but my thought is it doing that, and the wrong thing happening because it doesn't come back.

I do intend to track mine though, so they were not wasted purchases.

yah, i experimented quite a bit on my G in the past. im sure your swaybars are a great investment.

i just dont want to over do the bits if i dont have to and taking it in steps. when i did my G, i changed both bars, endlinks, springs (2sets), adjustable dampers, arms, etc. and it took a while to get her all dialed in at the ride height i wanted. it was compensation after compensation. spent a lot of time getting the alignment, hours of trials. i dont have time for that any more.

kenchan · 04-16-2013, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8

Auto x only allows one sway bar to be changed if you want to stay in street class.

Also, that's not very stiff on the whitelines... Most of the others can go much stiffer....

yep and yep!

x2

i dont auto-x, and i just want that little bit of stiffness up front. that's all i want to complete the car's handling.

Pintsize725 · 04-16-2013, 02:47 PM

Bought a used Stillen bracket.

ZMan8 · 04-16-2013, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pintsize725

Bought a used Stillen bracket.

XwChriswX · 04-16-2013, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

yah, i experimented quite a bit on my G in the past. im sure your swaybars are a great investment.

i just dont want to over do the bits if i dont have to and taking it in steps. when i did my G, i changed both bars, endlinks, springs (2sets), adjustable dampers, arms, etc. and it took a while to get her all dialed in at the ride height i wanted. it was compensation after compensation. spent a lot of time getting the alignment, hours of trials. i dont have time for that any more.

Yep, that's basically what I've done (be it the right or wrong way according to some people

) that I get the car modded to the point it's upgraded everywhere, then I can customize it to my specific wants. I get the car up to a certain point, then as the driver I grow into the car. In my mind it makes sense, hopefully it does on a logical perspective to those more educated.

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Originally Posted by Pintsize725

Bought a used Stillen bracket.

For the front plate?

Like the avi pic.

Pintsize725 · 04-16-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

For the front plate?

Like the avi pic.

Yup. We'll see how long it stays on.

XwChriswX · 04-16-2013, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pintsize725

Yup. We'll see how long it stays on.

Unless installed improperly, it shouldn't be going anywhere?

Nismo89 · 04-16-2013, 03:11 PM

kenchan · 04-16-2013, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pintsize725

Bought a used Stillen bracket.

nice!

Quote:

Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Yep, that's basically what I've done (be it the right or wrong way according to some people

) that I get the car modded to the point it's upgraded everywhere, then I can customize it to my specific wants. I get the car up to a certain point, then as the driver I grow into the car. In my mind it makes sense, hopefully it does on a logical perspective to those more educated.

it's a good learning process for sure.

and i agree that driver input also affects how the car behaves with the mods so it's very complicated.

i dont want deal with that right now.

i think the Z runs very wll in stock form. just needs a little tweak here and there to get her the way i want her to respond.

XwChriswX · 04-16-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

nice!

it's a good learning process for sure.

and i agree that driver input also affects how the car behaves with the mods so it's very complicated.

i dont want deal with that right now.

i think the Z runs very wll in stock form. just needs a little tweak here and there to get her the way i want her to respond.

Are you going to ZDayZ by chance?

kenchan · 04-16-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pintsize725

Yup. We'll see how long it stays on.

you has drunken racoon theives stealing metal in your area at night?

Pintsize725 · 04-16-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Unless installed improperly, it shouldn't be going anywhere?

Hardy har har. I just need it when driving to and from work mainly.

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