The New "What did you do with your Z today" (with off topic replies) IV

happytheman · 03-07-2013, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

I actually managed to do my last oil change using just the flap in the stock plastic undershroud (did not remove the entire thing). Cooling isn't really a concern; I just like the look

I'll see it once every few months when I do an oil change lol

Do you know any differences between the Z1, Goodrich, and Stop Tech kits?

I just needed one person lol TWM FTMFW

Do you have the illuminated sills? Just a thought.

blackcherry20 · 03-07-2013, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by happytheman

Do you have the illuminated sills? Just a thought.

good idea Happy.

I'm not even considering anything new until i get my splash guards, HU , and engine bay strut bar customized....

Pintsize725 · 03-07-2013, 07:27 PM

So had one of the guys, that supposedly got fired from the previous wrap place, come over to measure the fangs and the lip. Here's hoping the estimate is low.

blackcherry20 · 03-07-2013, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pintsize725

So had one of the guys, that supposedly got fired from the previous wrap place, come over to measure the fangs and the lip. Here's hoping the estimate is low.

Uhmmmm, why did he get fired?!

GaleForce · 03-07-2013, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blackcherry20

good idea Happy.

I'm not even considering anything new until i get my splash guards, HU , and engine bay strut bar customized....

Ooooohh... What are you doing?

alcheng · 03-07-2013, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by alcheng

1) Undershroud.... if you have problem on doing oil-change, than get it, is not... don't get it

2) mmm.... what's the benefits??

3) there's a chance it will affect the lifespan of the clutch components...

4) Nice and cheap and effective and practical

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Originally Posted by GaleForce

Mr.alcheng, can you explain #3?

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Originally Posted by alcheng

I was talking with one of my friend a while back and the side effect of a short-shifter is it wears the shifting forks and synchros in the transmission faster.

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Originally Posted by onzedge

I have never heard that.

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Originally Posted by GaleForce

A short shifter simply changes the fulcrum point of the shifter. That change will not effect anything mechanical.

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Originally Posted by alcheng

The talk was way back quite some years ago and his mechanic friend explain some details to him regarding the short-throw will shorter the actually shift-time thus easier to mess up the OEM synchros.

I cannot remember the details but it's always no harm to be careful/awareness

Alright.. maybe my original post was a bit unclear thus I should clear up the question.

The short-throw kit will NOT directly damage the transmission or its components.

However, the shorter shift-time might lead to the following:

For example:

you are traveling on 2nd gear 30mph@4000rpm

change to 3rd gear at 30mph the engine speed should drop to 3000rpm thus you depress the clutch at 3000rpm

With the OEM gear throw, let says it takes 0.5s

Now you have the short-throw...

traveling on 2nd gear 30mph@4000rpm,

up-shift to 3rd... takes only 0.2s

engine speed has only drop to 3500rpm, which is not the engine speed for 3rd at 30mph....

either you depress the clutch thus you engage the clutch too early....

or you hold the clutch til the engine speed drop to 3000rpm.

^ those are the side effect I am talking about.

I hope it does make sense to you guys....

but correct me if I am wrong

GaleForce · 03-07-2013, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by alcheng

Alright.. maybe my original post was a bit unclear thus I should clear up the question.

The short-throw kit will NOT directly damage the transmission or its components.

However, the shorter shift-time might lead to the following:

For example:

you are traveling on 2nd gear 30mph@4000rpm

change to 3rd gear at 30mph the engine speed should drop to 3000rpm thus you depress the clutch at 3000rpm

With the OEM gear throw, let says it takes 0.5s

Now you have the short-throw...

traveling on 2nd gear 30mph@4000rpm,

up-shift to 3rd... takes only 0.2s

engine speed has only drop to 3500rpm, which is not the engine speed for 3rd at 30mph....

either you depress the clutch thus you engage the clutch too early....

or you hold the clutch til the engine speed drop to 3000rpm.

^ those are the side effect I am talking about.

I hope it does make sense to you guys....

but correct me if I am wrong

If all the text = Operator error leads to early transmission failure, then yes I agree.

blackcherry20 · 03-07-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce

Ooooohh... What are you doing?

Well....my local body guy has paint to match my car because he custom painted the splash guards hubby got me for christmas so i was thinking ....same color as my car. Understated but i'm not flashy type. I talked to Mike on here but couldnt decide what to do....wondering though about heat resistance on it.

Pintsize725 · 03-07-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blackcherry20

Uhmmmm, why did he get fired?!

The story from the owner is that he and another guy were fired based on how my situation was handled. The story from this guy is that they both quit after seeing how my case was handled.

I figured I'd get them to compete.

onzedge · 03-07-2013, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by alcheng

Alright.. maybe my original post was a bit unclear thus I should clear up the question.

The short-throw kit will NOT directly damage the transmission or its components.

However, the shorter shift-time might lead to the following:

For example:

you are traveling on 2nd gear 30mph@4000rpm

change to 3rd gear at 30mph the engine speed should drop to 3000rpm thus you depress the clutch at 3000rpm

With the OEM gear throw, let says it takes 0.5s

Now you have the short-throw...

traveling on 2nd gear 30mph@4000rpm,

up-shift to 3rd... takes only 0.2s

engine speed has only drop to 3500rpm, which is not the engine speed for 3rd at 30mph....

either you depress the clutch thus you engage the clutch too early....

or you hold the clutch til the engine speed drop to 3000rpm.

^ those are the side effect I am talking about.

I hope it does make sense to you guys....

but correct me if I am wrong

Sorry, but you are a little, shall I say, wrong. Ever since God invented the device called a "clutch", the transmission is not engaged as you shift --- how fast you are able to shift between gears has no impact n the tranny, as long as the clutch is fully engaged. I can ask my son, Mr. Badwrench, if you want me to go into more detail. I might be incorrect, but it's unlikely given my track record.

alcheng · 03-07-2013, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce

If all the text = Operator error leads to early transmission failure, then yes I agree.

it was what I was told thus it is what I post...

STS is not a must and if there is a negative potential... why risk??

GaleForce · 03-07-2013, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by blackcherry20

Well....my local body guy has paint to match my car because he custom painted the splash guards hubby got me for christmas so i was thinking ....same color as my car. Understated but i'm not flashy type. I talked to Mike on here but couldnt decide what to do....wondering though about heat resistance on it.

I think it would look good. Subtle and classy

alcheng · 03-07-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce

If all the text = Operator error leads to early transmission failure, then yes I agree.

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Originally Posted by onzedge

Sorry, but you are a little, shall I say, wrong. Ever since God invented the device called a "clutch", the transmission is not engaged as you shift --- how fast you are able to shift between gears has no impact n the tranny, as long as the clutch is fully engaged. I can ask my son, Mr. Badwrench, if you want me to go into more detail. I might be incorrect, but it's unlikely given my track record.

please do so

My point is the driver could engage a gear at an improper engine speed.

blackcherry20 · 03-07-2013, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce

I think it would look good. Subtle and classy

No concerns about the paint and heat under the hood?!

I may call him tomoorow since i am off. Could i get that off alone?

GaleForce · 03-07-2013, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

Sorry, but you are a little, shall I say, wrong. Ever since God invented the device called a "clutch", the transmission is not engaged as you shift --- how fast you are able to shift between gears has no impact n the tranny, as long as the clutch is fully engaged. I can ask my son, Mr. Badwrench, if you want me to go into more detail. I might be incorrect, but it's unlikely given my track record.

That's my understanding, other than God inverting the clutch... but I catch your drift.

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