Explain this backwards logic. Can't stand this bs

babbagandu

If a girl wants to do a sex change and be a man, she has a medical condition and can get help from doctors to be a man....including testosterone
If a man wants to chop off his **** and grow titties, no problem. Get the operation and get prescribed estrogen. After all, it's his right to do what makes him happy.

But God forbid, a man who wants to be more manly. That's not ok. A man who wants to be bigger and stronger cannot simply go to the doctor and get a prescription for testosterone and/or steroids. And if he does so outside of the law he is looking at serious charges. So if chopping my **** off makes me happy that's ok, but if having more muscle mass and lifting more weight makes me happy that's not ok.

This blows my mind. Western countries have become so pussified it's sickening. I blame feminism

dastaco

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dP3NGU1N

I'm rather ignorant on the matter but is taking performance enhancing drugs actually illegal? I can understand its ban from organized sports for obvious reasons but it doesn't fit the standard definition of an illegal narcotic. Generally they only outlaw the mind altering substances.

Myron_Nismo

yep....but steroids are the exception. They are Class 3 scheduled substances. Right up there with ketamine, codeine, opium, morphine, etc....

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Doodlepower

do you even lift?

Myron_Nismo

bro stop posting in every thread i post in. you don't even have a z.

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babbagandu

Please explain what part of my argument is retarded....preferably with something other than "the news portrays steroid use negatively so I share the same opinion"

dastaco

You brought up a decent conversation point, but you went over the top with it. Claiming that feminism is the reason why steroids is illegal is.. for a lack of a better term.. Retarded.

If you have a legit case to make then do it in an adult manner, people will take your ideas seriously when you do so. Maybe post some information regarding the negative and positive affects steroid use has when used in a doctor approved manner. Cite sources.. things like this will make your points valid and worth hearing.

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Cell

I think it is more of the fact that it is controlled under the laws.

Doctors usually prescribe safe amounts for people to go through sex changes.

With steroids, people abuse it to the point where they get terrible side affects that i am sure no one wants.

babbagandu

I wasn't really trying to say feminism is the direct cause of steroids being illegal. Poor wording. But I do think it is one of the factors that helped create the political/social environment for it to happen.

Oh and to be clear I don't mean feminism as in equal rights for women. I mean modern day feminism which is more of an attack on masculinity

As with any substance/drug/supplement or whatever you wanna call it, moderation and knowledgeable use is the key. It is entirely possible to use testosterone/steroids in a responsible manner and reap the benefits while controlling the sides.

SouthArk370Z

I still fail to see any connection between feminism (of any flavor or era) and steroid/testosterone laws. Sounds to me like your beef is with an over-protective, nanny government.

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senseiturtle

As being an MD myself - think it's a pretty tough argument either way.

I would not want to take on the responsibility of prescribing large doses of estrogens (side effects, risk of clots/strokes, etc) to a male with a gender identity issue. Nor would I write a whole boatload of testosterone to a woman with the same.

I think a little extra testosterone, in a male, wouldn't be so bad --- particularly if it's watched VERY closely with liver function tests and a small mountain of paperwork holding me harmless for the effects. The problem is that I need to have a damn good argument for the FDA / DEA in the case I get audited, and that's always a real possibility regardless of the amount of control's you write.

You might be able to convince a urologist to write it, that would be your best bet, after age 40.


And no, i'm not one of those.

My_third_Z

I used responsibly for several years with no negative side effects. The whole process was positive for me (other than a couple painful injections). But I definitely had friends that went over the top with it, and you could tell. Mood swings, acne, bloating...Much like other drugs, I don't really care what other people use as long as they are responsible and don't endanger anyone.

kenchan

i thought such men went out to buy mustangs.