Vendors and PayPal fee's

tommyguns · 09-03-2012, 01:23 PM

I would like to point out the rules for using PayPal as a vendor. Many of you are trying to push the fee's that are charged by PayPal onto the customer. This is against PayPal rules and needs to stop. If reported you can lose your account. PayPal is portal for most of you to accept payment for the goods you are selling, for most it's the only way to receive payment, without it you would have no business. It's a part of the many expense’s that are incurred while running a business. So please read the rules and abide by them.
https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/paypal-fees
Special shout out to MPG, NO PayPal fee's, fair shipping prices. Some of you should take note and follow his business practice.
I can tell you from my experience that I have gone in different directions due to some of the shady practices that have come my way while trying to make purchases here (jacked up shipping costs, PayPal fees). I had one vendor charge me X amount for shipping, I went back to purchase a second identical item and for some reason the shipping was $30.00 more, when I asked why I received no response, which equals no SALE.
This is just my 2 cents worth and I'm sure I may take a hit for bringing this up.
Regards,
TommyGuns

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-03-2012, 01:31 PM

Thanks... repped.

w0rM · 09-03-2012, 01:33 PM

I can't say that I like it either but I don't believe there's any rule against it. If the customer is willing to pay it, then more power to them.

That said, I avoid any sale that expects me to pay the fees unless it's a private transaction for used parts.

tommyguns · 09-03-2012, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0rM

I can't say that I like it either but I don't believe there's any rule against it. If the customer is willing to pay it, then more power to them.

That said, I avoid any sale that expects me to pay the fees unless it's a private transaction for used parts.

Yes there is a rule against it. Check the link, it's clearly stated.

w0rM · 09-03-2012, 01:44 PM

I did click the link. By all means, post the text you're speaking of because there's absolutely nothing on that page about rules against passing along fees.

cdoxp800 · 09-03-2012, 01:45 PM

As a Vendors cost of doing business increases they pass it along to the consumer. All there going to is add the 3% on to the price. You have done nothing but point out PayPals terms of use. Well done in solving nothing.

Please return to economics 101.

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-03-2012, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0rM

I can't say that I like it either but I don't believe there's any rule against it. If the customer is willing to pay it, then more power to them.

That said, I avoid any sale that expects me to pay the fees unless it's a private transaction for used parts.

Put it like this... Technically, if they want to charge the customer fees. They have to factor it in to there profit margin. They can't outwardly charge you a fee they are legally responsible for. It's like everything else in this country, it's against the rules, yet it will pass if you word it right.... lol

example a. im selling a stereo 150+shipping &paypal $4.80 (illegal)
example b. im selling a stereo 154.80+shipping (legal)

It may be trivial but it keeps people from thinking it's their right to charge fees. We need to be kept in line. lol. But in the large spectrum Tommy guns has a point. It's how our system works.

tommyguns · 09-03-2012, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdoxp800

As a Vendors cost of doing business increases they pass it along to the consumer. All there going to is add the 3% on to the price. You have done nothing but point out PayPals terms of use. Well done in solving nothing.

Please return to economics 101.

Look I'm a business owner and understand your simple and obvious answer, but what we're talking about here is the fact that it's being done instead of just adding it to the bottom line. Please don't be so quick to judge, it's a smack in the face when it's put to the consumer in the way that it has.

tommyguns · 09-03-2012, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0rM

I did click the link. By all means, post the text you're speaking of because there's absolutely nothing on that page about rules against passing along fees.

Buying something

Always free - PayPal is free whenever you use it to buy something or make a payment in the US. The seller pays us a small fee to securely handle your payment. As a buyer, you never pay a fee to use PayPal.

frost · 09-03-2012, 02:05 PM

Yeesh, tough crowd in here. Take it down a notch guys, it's not politics after all

tommyguns · 09-03-2012, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frost

Yeesh, tough crowd in here. Take it down a notch guys, it's not politics after all

Well put!

pfdaxe · 09-03-2012, 02:09 PM

I have to agree. I don't charge the fees when I'm selling anything on any forum. If needed, I'll eat the fee, include it in the price, or have the buyer send funds as a "gift". There are no fees associated with that. I do get tired of sellers adding additional (what I call airline fees).

That's my 2 cents (typing fee included)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommyguns

Look I'm a business owner and understand your simple and obvious answer, but what we're tralking about here is the fact that it's being done instead of just adding it to the bottom line. Please don't be so quick to judge, it's a smack in the face when it's put to the consumer in the way that it has.

DJ-of-E · 09-03-2012, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pfdaxe

I have to agree. I don't charge the fees when I'm selling anything on any forum. If needed, I'll eat the fee, include it in the price, or have the buyer send funds as a "gift". There are no fees associated with that. I do get tired of sellers adding additional (what I call airline fees).

That's my 2 cents (typing fee included)

I rather have the vendor include the fee then to ask for "gift." If it is a used part, I strongly suggest it is either something you know you will rebuild it or simple not to have issues.

If a vendor is asking to use "gift" on a "new" product, you are losing your consumer protection, similar to credit card chargebacks.

tommyguns · 09-03-2012, 03:13 PM

"If a vendor is asking to use "gift" on a "new" product, you are losing your consumer protection, similar to credit card chargebacks."
That was presented to me as an option to avoid the fee. I never looked back. That’s even shadier than charging the fee itself.

All that’s says to me is, "look I don't want to pay PayPal and I know you don't, so let’s scam the system and you take a chance that I will send you your item" Fat chance!

pfdaxe · 09-03-2012, 03:23 PM

Missing the point. When I sell something personally (not as a vendor) I have funds sent as a gift. But I understand the consumer protection and would never send this way to any company/vendor or anyone I wasn't comfortable with. It's purely a mutual decision with both parties.

09-03-2012, 01:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
tommyguns Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Age: 65 Posts: 914 Drives: 370Z/Sport/Black/MT Rep Power: 17	Vendors and PayPal fee's I would like to point out the rules for using PayPal as a vendor. Many of you are trying to push the fee's that are charged by PayPal onto the customer. This is against PayPal rules and needs to stop. If reported you can lose your account. PayPal is portal for most of you to accept payment for the goods you are selling, for most it's the only way to receive payment, without it you would have no business. It's a part of the many expense’s that are incurred while running a business. So please read the rules and abide by them. https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/paypal-fees Special shout out to MPG, NO PayPal fee's, fair shipping prices. Some of you should take note and follow his business practice. I can tell you from my experience that I have gone in different directions due to some of the shady practices that have come my way while trying to make purchases here (jacked up shipping costs, PayPal fees). I had one vendor charge me X amount for shipping, I went back to purchase a second identical item and for some reason the shipping was $30.00 more, when I asked why I received no response, which equals no SALE. This is just my 2 cents worth and I'm sure I may take a hit for bringing this up. Regards, TommyGuns __________________ 09 Sport / MB / 6sd / Nismo"R" Intake / Eibach Pro Kit / Z1 25 row cooler / JWT LW FW / New Short Block 3/11/11 /H&R 15fr 20rr/DBA 4000/FI CB with 12"res./Morel/JL/"Division"mod/SPC/EcuTek/M370/ZEX C SHOT/ART's/NRG

09-03-2012, 01:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
w0rM A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,198 Drives: 2015 Corvette Z06 Rep Power: 36	I can't say that I like it either but I don't believe there's any rule against it. If the customer is willing to pay it, then more power to them. That said, I avoid any sale that expects me to pay the fees unless it's a private transaction for used parts. __________________ \| SOLD September 14th, 2013 \| My Build Journal

09-03-2012, 01:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
w0rM A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,198 Drives: 2015 Corvette Z06 Rep Power: 36	I did click the link. By all means, post the text you're speaking of because there's absolutely nothing on that page about rules against passing along fees. __________________ \| SOLD September 14th, 2013 \| My Build Journal Last edited by w0rM; 09-03-2012 at 01:46 PM.

09-03-2012, 01:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
cdoxp800 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: FL Posts: 1,337 Drives: 2011 Nismo Rep Power: 19	As a Vendors cost of doing business increases they pass it along to the consumer. All there going to is add the 3% on to the price. You have done nothing but point out PayPals terms of use. Well done in solving nothing. Please return to economics 101. __________________ 2011 Brilliant Silver NISMO 370z. #: 0046. PPE LTH \| MillSpec Cats \| F.I Exhaust \| Akuma Intakes \| Rotora 6/4 Brakes Last edited by cdoxp800; 09-03-2012 at 01:50 PM.

09-03-2012, 03:13 PM	#14 (permalink)
tommyguns Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Age: 65 Posts: 914 Drives: 370Z/Sport/Black/MT Rep Power: 17	"If a vendor is asking to use "gift" on a "new" product, you are losing your consumer protection, similar to credit card chargebacks." That was presented to me as an option to avoid the fee. I never looked back. That’s even shadier than charging the fee itself. All that’s says to me is, "look I don't want to pay PayPal and I know you don't, so let’s scam the system and you take a chance that I will send you your item" Fat chance! __________________ 09 Sport / MB / 6sd / Nismo"R" Intake / Eibach Pro Kit / Z1 25 row cooler / JWT LW FW / New Short Block 3/11/11 /H&R 15fr 20rr/DBA 4000/FI CB with 12"res./Morel/JL/"Division"mod/SPC/EcuTek/M370/ZEX C SHOT/ART's/NRG

09-03-2012, 01:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	Thanks... repped.

09-03-2012, 02:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	Yeesh, tough crowd in here. Take it down a notch guys, it's not politics after all

09-03-2012, 03:23 PM	#15 (permalink)
pfdaxe A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,067 Drives: 09 Touring AT Sport Rep Power: 16	Missing the point. When I sell something personally (not as a vendor) I have funds sent as a gift. But I understand the consumer protection and would never send this way to any company/vendor or anyone I wasn't comfortable with. It's purely a mutual decision with both parties.

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