Anyone here into firearms?

m4a1mustang · 03-19-2011, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

+1. I loved the change to allow restaurant carry!

Man, I really can't wait until I get my MTAC holster next week. I stopped by the gun store and picked up a 5-stitch nylon instructor belt, which made a big difference with the way my gun carries, but I know the MTAC is going to be a MUCH better system than what I've got right now (Galco Triton kydex clip-on). Only a few more days... w00t!

SmoothZ · 03-19-2011, 10:33 AM

Weather here is getting just a little bit better for some outdoor shooting. Can't wait!

haggomyeggo · 03-19-2011, 10:47 AM

we have a really excellent sporting clays course near me in Sparta IL. I have been wanting to go for awhile. Gotta make time one of these days...

Isamu · 03-19-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

That's silly. Virginia Code says that no city can pass ordinance that would overrule state law regarding carry.

Anyways, I stopped by the gun store today and among other things picked up a Pearce +2 mag extension to try. It's nice in that I can get a full grip on the gun with the extension, but it's really only a +1. No way to get 2 in there.

how big are your hands?

m4a1mustang · 03-19-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

how big are your hands?

I don't really have big hands. I wear a medium glove, so I can handle the subcompacts pretty easily even though my pinky finger doesn't grip. The magazine extension is nice though for situations where you're not worried about concealment as much. IMO whenever you can fit a few more rounds in the mag that's a good thing!

Next week I should get my stuff from Comp-Tac so I'll be able to carry a spare mag if the S ever really does HTF. Let's hope not!

m4a1mustang · 03-19-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by haggomyeggo

we have a really excellent sporting clays course near me in Sparta IL. I have been wanting to go for awhile. Gotta make time one of these days...

Shooting clays is good fun. An old high school friend of mine had a pretty large farm and they had a nice sporting clay setup that we'd shoot a lot. Good times!

dad · 03-19-2011, 03:35 PM

President Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms

It's been more than two months since the tragedy in Tucson stunned the nation. It was a moment when we came together as one people to mourn and to pray for those we lost. And in the attack's turbulent wake, Americans by and large rightly refrained from finger-pointing, assigning blame or playing politics with other people's pain.

But one clear and terrible fact remains. A man our Army rejected as unfit for service; a man one of our colleges deemed too unstable for studies; a man apparently bent on violence, was able to walk into a store and buy a gun.

He used it to murder six people and wound 13 others. And if not for the heroism of bystanders and a brilliant surgical team, it would have been far worse.

But since that day, we have lost perhaps another 2,000 members of our American family to gun violence. Thousands more have been wounded. We lose the same number of young people to guns every day and a half as we did at Columbine, and every four days as we did at Virginia Tech.

Every single day, America is robbed of more futures. It has awful consequences for our society. And as a society, we have a responsibility to do everything we can to put a stop to it.

Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. And the courts have settled that as the law of the land. In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that's handed from generation to generation. Hunting and shooting are part of our national heritage. And, in fact, my administration has not curtailed the rights of gun owners - it has expanded them, including allowing people to carry their guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.

The fact is, almost all gun owners in America are highly responsible. They're our friends and neighbors. They buy their guns legally and use them safely, whether for hunting or target shooting, collection or protection. And that's something that gun-safety advocates need to accept. Likewise, advocates for gun owners should accept the awful reality that gun violence affects Americans everywhere, whether on the streets of Chicago or at a supermarket in Tucson.

I know that every time we try to talk about guns, it can reinforce stark divides. People shout at one another, which makes it impossible to listen. We mire ourselves in stalemate, which makes it impossible to get to where we need to go as a country.

However, I believe that if common sense prevails, we can get beyond wedge issues and stale political debates to find a sensible, intelligent way to make the United States of America a safer, stronger place.

I'm willing to bet that responsible, law-abiding gun owners agree that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few - dangerous criminals and fugitives, for example - from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.

I'm willing to bet they don't think that using a gun and using common sense are incompatible ideas - that we should check someone's criminal record before he can check out at a gun seller; that an unbalanced man shouldn't be able to buy a gun so easily; that there's room for us to have reasonable laws that uphold liberty, ensure citizen safety and are fully compatible with a robust Second Amendment.

That's why our focus right now should be on sound and effective steps that will actually keep those irresponsible, law-breaking few from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.

• First, we should begin by enforcing laws that are already on the books. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System is the filter that's supposed to stop the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun. Bipartisan legislation four years ago was supposed to strengthen this system, but it hasn't been properly implemented. It relies on data supplied by states - but that data is often incomplete and inadequate. We must do better.

• Second, we should in fact reward the states that provide the best data - and therefore do the most to protect our citizens.

• Third, we should make the system faster and nimbler. We should provide an instant, accurate, comprehensive and consistent system for background checks to sellers who want to do the right thing, and make sure that criminals can't escape it.

Porous background checks are bad for police officers, for law-abiding citizens and for the sellers themselves. If we're serious about keeping guns away from someone who's made up his mind to kill, then we can't allow a situation where a responsible seller denies him a weapon at one store, but he effortlessly buys the same gun someplace else.

Clearly, there's more we can do to prevent gun violence. But I want this to at least be the beginning of a new discussion on how we can keep America safe for all our people.

I know some aren't interested in participating. Some will say that anything short of the most sweeping anti-gun legislation is a capitulation to the gun lobby. Others will predictably cast any discussion as the opening salvo in a wild-eyed scheme to take away everybody's guns. And such hyperbole will become the fodder for overheated fundraising letters.

But I have more faith in the American people than that. Most gun-control advocates know that most gun owners are responsible citizens. Most gun owners know that the word "commonsense" isn't a code word for "confiscation." And none of us should be willing to remain passive in the face of violence or resigned to watching helplessly as another rampage unfolds on television.

As long as those whose lives are shattered by gun violence don't get to look away and move on, neither can we.

We owe the victims of the tragedy in Tucson and the countless unheralded tragedies each year nothing less than our best efforts - to seek consensus, to prevent future bloodshed, to forge a nation worthy of our children's futures.

President Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
>>>>>Now read my signature!<<<<<

SgtGoldy · 03-19-2011, 04:39 PM

^+1 for the article good sir

m4a1mustang · 03-19-2011, 06:14 PM

Here's my G26 with the Pearce Grip "+2" extension:

It says its +2 but seems impossible to add 2, only 1. So 11 round capacity with a pinky extension... not bad. Doesn't really seem to impact concealability all that much.

Red__Zed · 03-19-2011, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Here's my G26 with the Pearce Grip "+2" extension:

It says its +2 but seems impossible to add 2, only 1. So 11 round capacity with a pinky extension... not bad. Doesn't really seem to impact concealability all that much.

Good call. The extender makes them a lot more shootable.

m4a1mustang · 03-19-2011, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Good call. The extender makes them a lot more shootable.

I didn't really have too much of an issue with shooting with a two-finger grip, but this definitely does help with the draw from concealment. I saw them at the gun store yesterday so I figured I'd pick one up and see how it worked out. Not bad for $8.95. I might pick up some more next time I go.

I also need to buy some more mags. I think I am gonna pick up some Glock 19 mags. I can carry a standard 10 round G26 (or 11 with the extension) in the gun and a 15 round G19 mag as a spare.

m4a1mustang · 03-19-2011, 06:28 PM

Oh they also had those Glock 33 round magazines at the store. I know VA has a legal limit on magazine capacity in a carry gun of 20 rounds, but I don't know if that applies to in the home or at the range as well.

Red__Zed · 03-19-2011, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Oh they also had those Glock 33 round magazines at the store. I know VA has a legal limit on magazine capacity in a carry gun of 20 rounds, but I don't know if that applies to in the home or at the range as well.

§ 18.2-287.4. Carrying loaded firearms in public areas prohibited; penalty.

It shall be unlawful for any person to carry a loaded (a) semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine that will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock or (b) shotgun with a magazine that will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered on or about his person on any public street, road, alley, sidewalk, public right-of-way, or in any public park or any other place of whatever nature that is open to the public in the Cities of Alexandria, Chesapeake, Fairfax, Falls Church, Newport News, Norfolk, Richmond, or Virginia Beach or in the Counties of Arlington, Fairfax, Henrico, Loudoun, or Prince William.

The provisions of this section shall not apply to law-enforcement officers, licensed security guards, military personnel in the performance of their lawful duties, or any person having a valid concealed handgun permit or to any person actually engaged in lawful hunting or lawful recreational shooting activities at an established shooting range or shooting contest. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

The exemptions set forth in § 18.2-308 shall apply, mutatis mutandis, to the provisions of this section.

(1991, c. 570; 1992, c. 790; 2003, c. 976; 2004, c. 995; 2005, c. 160; 2007, c. 813.)

You have a CHP right? You're able to carry it with the 33 round mag.

m4a1mustang · 03-19-2011, 06:58 PM

Oh, that's good to know! I missed the bit about the CHP exemption. Not that I am going to carry any mags with 20+ rounds or anything.

dad · 03-19-2011, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Oh they also had those Glock 33 round magazines at the store. I know VA has a legal limit on magazine capacity in a carry gun of 20 rounds, but I don't know if that applies to in the home or at the range as well.

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03-19-2011, 10:33 AM	#902 (permalink)
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03-19-2011, 03:35 PM	#907 (permalink)
dad Grand Prix of Endurance Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tennessee Posts: 3,476 Drives: Mulsanne Straight Rep Power: 26	President Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms It's been more than two months since the tragedy in Tucson stunned the nation. It was a moment when we came together as one people to mourn and to pray for those we lost. And in the attack's turbulent wake, Americans by and large rightly refrained from finger-pointing, assigning blame or playing politics with other people's pain. But one clear and terrible fact remains. A man our Army rejected as unfit for service; a man one of our colleges deemed too unstable for studies; a man apparently bent on violence, was able to walk into a store and buy a gun. He used it to murder six people and wound 13 others. And if not for the heroism of bystanders and a brilliant surgical team, it would have been far worse. But since that day, we have lost perhaps another 2,000 members of our American family to gun violence. Thousands more have been wounded. We lose the same number of young people to guns every day and a half as we did at Columbine, and every four days as we did at Virginia Tech. Every single day, America is robbed of more futures. It has awful consequences for our society. And as a society, we have a responsibility to do everything we can to put a stop to it. Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. And the courts have settled that as the law of the land. In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that's handed from generation to generation. Hunting and shooting are part of our national heritage. And, in fact, my administration has not curtailed the rights of gun owners - it has expanded them, including allowing people to carry their guns in national parks and wildlife refuges. The fact is, almost all gun owners in America are highly responsible. They're our friends and neighbors. They buy their guns legally and use them safely, whether for hunting or target shooting, collection or protection. And that's something that gun-safety advocates need to accept. Likewise, advocates for gun owners should accept the awful reality that gun violence affects Americans everywhere, whether on the streets of Chicago or at a supermarket in Tucson. I know that every time we try to talk about guns, it can reinforce stark divides. People shout at one another, which makes it impossible to listen. We mire ourselves in stalemate, which makes it impossible to get to where we need to go as a country. However, I believe that if common sense prevails, we can get beyond wedge issues and stale political debates to find a sensible, intelligent way to make the United States of America a safer, stronger place. I'm willing to bet that responsible, law-abiding gun owners agree that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few - dangerous criminals and fugitives, for example - from getting their hands on a gun in the first place. I'm willing to bet they don't think that using a gun and using common sense are incompatible ideas - that we should check someone's criminal record before he can check out at a gun seller; that an unbalanced man shouldn't be able to buy a gun so easily; that there's room for us to have reasonable laws that uphold liberty, ensure citizen safety and are fully compatible with a robust Second Amendment. That's why our focus right now should be on sound and effective steps that will actually keep those irresponsible, law-breaking few from getting their hands on a gun in the first place. • First, we should begin by enforcing laws that are already on the books. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System is the filter that's supposed to stop the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun. Bipartisan legislation four years ago was supposed to strengthen this system, but it hasn't been properly implemented. It relies on data supplied by states - but that data is often incomplete and inadequate. We must do better. • Second, we should in fact reward the states that provide the best data - and therefore do the most to protect our citizens. • Third, we should make the system faster and nimbler. We should provide an instant, accurate, comprehensive and consistent system for background checks to sellers who want to do the right thing, and make sure that criminals can't escape it. Porous background checks are bad for police officers, for law-abiding citizens and for the sellers themselves. If we're serious about keeping guns away from someone who's made up his mind to kill, then we can't allow a situation where a responsible seller denies him a weapon at one store, but he effortlessly buys the same gun someplace else. Clearly, there's more we can do to prevent gun violence. But I want this to at least be the beginning of a new discussion on how we can keep America safe for all our people. I know some aren't interested in participating. Some will say that anything short of the most sweeping anti-gun legislation is a capitulation to the gun lobby. Others will predictably cast any discussion as the opening salvo in a wild-eyed scheme to take away everybody's guns. And such hyperbole will become the fodder for overheated fundraising letters. But I have more faith in the American people than that. Most gun-control advocates know that most gun owners are responsible citizens. Most gun owners know that the word "commonsense" isn't a code word for "confiscation." And none of us should be willing to remain passive in the face of violence or resigned to watching helplessly as another rampage unfolds on television. As long as those whose lives are shattered by gun violence don't get to look away and move on, neither can we. We owe the victims of the tragedy in Tucson and the countless unheralded tragedies each year nothing less than our best efforts - to seek consensus, to prevent future bloodshed, to forge a nation worthy of our children's futures. President Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms >>>>>Now read my signature!<<<<< __________________ We can do without any article of luxury we have never had; but once obtained, it is not in human nature to surrender it voluntary.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Here's my G26 with the Pearce Grip "+2" extension: It says its +2 but seems impossible to add 2, only 1. So 11 round capacity with a pinky extension... not bad. Doesn't really seem to impact concealability all that much. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Oh they also had those Glock 33 round magazines at the store. I know VA has a legal limit on magazine capacity in a carry gun of 20 rounds, but I don't know if that applies to in the home or at the range as well. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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haggomyeggo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: IL Posts: 1,723 Drives: Steves old cars Rep Power: 17	we have a really excellent sporting clays course near me in Sparta IL. I have been wanting to go for awhile. Gotta make time one of these days...

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Oh, that's good to know! I missed the bit about the CHP exemption. Not that I am going to carry any mags with 20+ rounds or anything. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!