Anyone here into firearms?

Rusty

Walmart. The biggest seller of guns. Quit selling AR's a couple of years back. No body cared. Dickk's is the parent company of Field and Stream. Between the two. They sell alot of guns. If it affects it's the bottom line. They notice.

Go to Chicago. See how many gun stores got shut down.

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Lvcky69

That's good, and the smaller stores are taking advantage of that so they will keep selling AR's.Yet Chicago still remains one of the most dangerous city with the strictest gun laws and has the highest murder rates. Go to Venezuela or Brazil and look at the level of violence in those countries and look deeply at the rate of murder by people purchasing guns on the black market to commit crimes and citizens go defenseless

BoneZ

Are these the ones that kill people?

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BoneZ

I think mine is lazy. Hasn't moved in weeks.

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VABAM

No love loss if Dickk's/Field and Stream stop selling ARs. Their gun prices suck. A Field and Stream opened up near me and most (if not all) of their gun prices were 10-25% over MSRP. All the other gun stores in the area sell at or below MSRP. For Example; they were selling a standard black 50 DE for close to $2K! I got my Tungsten Cerakoted 50 DE for around $1500 a week or two previously from a gun store about 15 minutes away from them. I've been in that Field and Stream 2 times and each time I regretted wasting my time going there.

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synolimit

There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)

Now it gets good:
• 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

• 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides......Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple.:
Taking away guns gives control to governments.

The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs.

So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power."

Remember, when it comes to "gun control," the important word is “control," not “gun."

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2011 Nismo#91

Not to get caught up in a debate here but how are you going to stop a semi autonomous drone with hellfire missiles launched from a carrier at sea with an AR-15 or any gun? Try and buy a claymore, SAM, or cluster bomb, you can't, the 2nd amendment is pointless.

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synolimit

and just like overseas they cannot fire unless they see a weapon and are aloud to engage or they go to prison for life!!!!

you think the govt will just give a "fire at will" nation wide? you think ALLLLLL our 1.2 million service men will up-hold that order and not use their hellfire missiles and drones and cluster bombs against someone who gave that insane order? the orderer will be committing suicide!!!

no I don't think we have to worry about our govt!! a more likely scenario is our grid going down from say some new EMP weapon and we all go back to guns vs guns. you think our 1.2 million service men stand a chance against the 2.2 million Chinese gun to gun or how about the 1.2 million active and 7,700,000 in reserve North Korea military. I'm glad we have about 130,000,000 US gun owners. like Isoroku Yamamoto stated "you cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

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Trips

Back to the topic of Firearms!!

Lets keep the sidebar debate out of this thread as this is not what the discussions about.

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MB370Z

AR with a bump fire stock and 100 round drum. COME AND TAKE IT

BoneZ

What's a bump stock? I've heard that mentioned a lot.

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Rusty

Dickk's, Field and Stream and Cabela's prices are higher for any gun. I normally buy at Ace's Sporting Goods in Washington Pa. When you buy a gun there. They will give you an extra year on the warranty. Which I have used. Optics, I shop the internet. Mostly Midway. I'm in the market now for a FFP scope.

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FPenvy

Aces is nice I’ve shopped there before.

You ever been up to dukes in butler? Pretty solid selection.

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Rusty

My daughter's boy friend has been there. I haven't. There was a shop in Chalk Hill. By Ohio Pyle. Pa Police Supply. They was a class 3 dealer. They had all kinds of neat toys. I played with a MAC 10 in .380 with a silencer. Sounded like a bunch of little farts. I haven't been there for a while. I don't know if they are still in business.

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FPenvy

never heard of that one maybe ill look into it.

i'm like you though. hit the local shops for toys then ammo and whatnot online.

can't beat some of the prices online anymore.

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