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synolimit · 03-02-2015, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigger

That's a little creepy for sure. Wonder why it is made in such an unfavorable fashion for reloading. Might want to look into a different powder. And be very careful with that first shot.

Might be ok, check this out

Compressed loads...or change powder? - AR15.Com Archive

Bulletz4break · 03-05-2015, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

I know I'm not suppose to get political on here but its firearms related . No discussion needed.
I got this from military arms channel aka MAC from a Facebook post.
Save M855: Protect your 2nd Amendment Rights

Obama does not want Americans to have the AR15 to fight off islam's AKs. After all that is why most of have them. Not trying to get political but this ban is preposterous and needs to be stopped.

synolimit · 03-07-2015, 04:25 PM

Getting close!! Just need the Magpul trigger guard, UTG bipod and UTG 3-12x44 scope to come in.

Upper- HM defence NiB BCG, forged upper, 14" hand guard, 16" 416 1:8 twist barrel, flash/break, charging handle
Lower- Spikes Tactical honey badger cause he don't give a ****
Trigger- POF precision single stage 4.5lbs pull with like ZERO pull and reset length (kinda scary!)
Kit, buffer- CMMG, Tapco
Grip- Magpul
Stock- Magpul CTR

Current weight with mag 7.96lbs

m4a1mustang · 03-07-2015, 04:52 PM

Big thanks to ZCarMan for telling me about the Gen2 Sub 2000 over lunch today. I was very close to buying a Gen 1, but now I'm going to wait.

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Rusty · 03-07-2015, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy

Might be ok, check this out

Compressed loads...or change powder? - AR15.Com Archive

One of the things you have to watch out for when doing compressed loads. When seating heavy (longer) bullets. Is your OAL. Sometimes the powder will push the bullets back out of the case after seating. Measure your OAL, wait about 30 minutes and check again. You have to have good neck tension or a heavy crimp to hold the bullet in place.

As for burning rate. Ideally you what the powder to burn within about 3" from the end of the barrel. Burn too quickly, you get low velocity. Burn too fast, you get big muzzle flash, and a dirty barrel.

Neil912 · 03-08-2015, 11:00 AM

If they ban the AR or 5.56 rounds I will LOL hard! My brother just bought one several months ago. After using the M4 for several years and the M249, I purchased the SCAR 17 for the .308 round used. Really is a nice rifle that I combo up with a FNX-45. I am thinking about buying the short barrel for the SCAR and putting a can on it. Not sure if I want to hassle with ATF for 6+ months waiting to get approval to get it.

MacCool · 03-08-2015, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Neil912

If they ban the AR or 5.56 rounds I will LOL hard! My brother just bought one several months ago. After using the M4 for several years and the M249, I purchased the SCAR 17 for the .308 round used. Really is a nice rifle that I combo up with a FNX-45.

Who's banning 5.56 rounds? The brouhaha was only over the possibility of ATF banning M855 (armor piercing) from civilian sales, and within two days of going viral the ATF issued a statement that that info was incorrect and due to a "publishing error". The concern that bolstered the rumor is that, since people are making AR15-based pistols more often now, it violates the law concerning use of "armor piercing" ammo in pistols (will penetrate body armor).

If they ban a given firearm by rifle, they aren't going to ban just AR15s and variants...they'll ban by category (based on feature set) and the SCAR17 will be part of the ban. Caliber isn't part of the criteria that governments use for defining "assault rifles".

In the meantime, there is still no problem, or even rumored problem, with XM193 ball ammo in 5.56, nor with any of the loadings in .223.

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Originally Posted by Neil912

I am thinking about buying the short barrel for the SCAR and putting a can on it. Not sure if I want to hassle with ATF for 6+ months waiting to get approval to get it.

Are you only going to keep the rifle for 6 months or less? What else are you going to do during that period? If you get it, you're going to be shooting it with the long barrel, might as well be waiting for a stamp. The NFA process isn't difficult, and with e-filing the approval process can be quite simple. Personally, I have found the "hassle" of getting a tax stamp to be negligible, especially compared to the value and convenience of my rifles being SBRs.

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tvfreakazoid · 03-08-2015, 03:40 PM

M855 is not an armor piercing round FYI

2 by 2...hands of blue

Tigger · 03-08-2015, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

Who's banning 5.56 rounds? The brouhaha was only over the possibility of ATF banning M855 (armor piercing) from civilian sales, and within two days of going viral the ATF issued a statement that that info was incorrect and due to a "publishing error". The concern that bolstered the rumor is that, since people are making AR15-based pistols more often now, it violates the law concerning use of "armor piercing" ammo in pistols (will penetrate body armor).

If they ban a given firearm by rifle, they aren't going to ban just AR15s and variants...they'll ban by category (based on feature set) and the SCAR17 will be part of the ban. Caliber isn't part of the criteria that governments use for defining "assault rifles".

In the meantime, there is still no problem, or even rumored problem, with XM193 ball ammo in 5.56, nor with any of the loadings in .223.

Are you only going to keep the rifle for 6 months or less? What else are you going to do during that period? If you get it, you're going to be shooting it with the long barrel, might as well be waiting for a stamp. The NFA process isn't difficult, and with e-filing the approval process can be quite simple. Personally, I have found the "hassle" of getting a tax stamp to be negligible, especially compared to the value and convenience of my rifles being SBRs.

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Excellent post. And I agree that the hassle of a tax stamp is purely the wait and that's really a non-issue.

synolimit · 03-08-2015, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigger

Excellent post. And I agree that the hassle of a tax stamp is purely the wait and that's really a non-issue.

I filled everything out, got approved by CLEO, and then just never mailed it. Now I've moved, new CLEO will say no so I went sig arm brace. I need to do something else since the arm brace is now such a pain.

synolimit · 03-08-2015, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

One of the things you have to watch out for when doing compressed loads. When seating heavy (longer) bullets. Is your OAL. Sometimes the powder will push the bullets back out of the case after seating. Measure your OAL, wait about 30 minutes and check again. You have to have good neck tension or a heavy crimp to hold the bullet in place.

As for burning rate. Ideally you what the powder to burn within about 3" from the end of the barrel. Burn too quickly, you get low velocity. Burn too fast, you get big muzzle flash, and a dirty barrel.

It's been a week, all good. The 4064 are big cylinders so lots of room after being crushed I'm sure some broke and just filled the gaps. I'd be more worried with ball powder doing this. Only issue I noticed is I have to use LC brass. All others fill up into tthe neck.

Rusty · 03-08-2015, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy

It's been a week, all good. The 4064 are big cylinders so lots of room after being crushed I'm sure some broke and just filled the gaps. I'd be more worried with ball powder doing this. Only issue I noticed is I have to use LC brass. All others fill up into tthe neck.

Brass from different manufacturers have different internal volumes. Also from lot to lot from the same manufacturer may be different too. This will have an effect on how much you can fill a case and on velocity too.

synolimit · 03-11-2015, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Brass from different manufacturers have different internal volumes. Also from lot to lot from the same manufacturer may be different too. This will have an effect on how much you can fill a case and on velocity too.

I gotcha. I'll just keep an eye on these with bullet and powder and cases.

So what am I looking for though in the end? Use a chronograph and try and get the bullets as fast as possible without blowing the case/primer/me up? I'm sure even a slow 223 can be accurate to a distance. I've just never done distance. I know at 100 yards my 10" is dead on but is it deadly if only a few ftps cause the barrels so small?

I know any reload I've done and any ammo I've shot doesn't even touch my ar500 plate. But a guy with normal 5.56 FMJ 55gr out of a 20" barrel blasted right through like a knife through butter. I'm hoping this 16" 416 barrel is a little more powerful.

Rusty · 03-11-2015, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy

I gotcha. I'll just keep an eye on these with bullet and powder and cases.

So what am I looking for though in the end? Use a chronograph and try and get the bullets as fast as possible without blowing the case/primer/me up? I'm sure even a slow 223 can be accurate to a distance. I've just never done distance. I know at 100 yards my 10" is dead on but is it deadly if only a few ftps cause the barrels so small?

I know any reload I've done and any ammo I've shot doesn't even touch my ar500 plate. But a guy with normal 5.56 FMJ 55gr out of a 20" barrel blasted right through like a knife through butter. I'm hoping this 16" 416 barrel is a little more powerful.

My AR has a 16" SS bull barrel. I normally clover leaf my groups at 100m's. At 500m's, on a good day. I can shoot 2" groups. My buddy can shoot my AR out to 700m's no problem.

I use either the Sierra 69gr Match or the Hornady 68gr Match bullets, with Norma brass, CCI 400 primers. I want to try the Berger 70gr VLD bullets next.

Inspector71 · 03-12-2015, 12:49 PM

A number of years ago, I had Accuracy Rifle Systems build a mini-14 for me. The only part of the rifle that is Ruger is the receiver. It has a 1" lothar Walther barrel, about 20" long, Hogue stock, new gas block, you name it. With a cheap scope, it shot .5 at 100 yards bench rested. I went through all the protocols, 1 shot, clean it, for 20 rounds. Took forever. Then 3 shots clean it for 20 rounds. And then I put it away. Most accurate rifle I've ever fired but what the heck do I need with a $1300 dollar .223 rifle in mini-14? The owner has passed away and I bet they went out of business. Cool guy too. Talked to him before he died. Anyone know in this current climate is it worth trying to sell or just keep?

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Inspector71 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Lee's Summit Missouri Posts: 337 Drives: 2015 Pearl White Z Rep Power: 16	Trying to figure out what to do with... A number of years ago, I had Accuracy Rifle Systems build a mini-14 for me. The only part of the rifle that is Ruger is the receiver. It has a 1" lothar Walther barrel, about 20" long, Hogue stock, new gas block, you name it. With a cheap scope, it shot .5 at 100 yards bench rested. I went through all the protocols, 1 shot, clean it, for 20 rounds. Took forever. Then 3 shots clean it for 20 rounds. And then I put it away. Most accurate rifle I've ever fired but what the heck do I need with a $1300 dollar .223 rifle in mini-14? The owner has passed away and I bet they went out of business. Cool guy too. Talked to him before he died. Anyone know in this current climate is it worth trying to sell or just keep?

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Neil912 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Alcoa, TN Posts: 51 Drives: 14 Nissan 370Z MB M6 Rep Power: 11	If they ban the AR or 5.56 rounds I will LOL hard! My brother just bought one several months ago. After using the M4 for several years and the M249, I purchased the SCAR 17 for the .308 round used. Really is a nice rifle that I combo up with a FNX-45. I am thinking about buying the short barrel for the SCAR and putting a can on it. Not sure if I want to hassle with ATF for 6+ months waiting to get approval to get it.