Anyone here into firearms?

Pushing_Tin · 11-10-2009, 12:30 AM

I just got a crimson trace laser for my M&P compact, taking it to the range on Weds.

semtex · 11-10-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin

I just got a crimson trace laser for my M&P compact, taking it to the range on Weds.

I have one on my regular carry gun. Have you used one before? When you use it at the range, it'll either make you look like a really good shooter, or like such a crap shooter that you'll switch it off out of embarrassment.

Pushing_Tin · 11-10-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

I have one on my regular carry gun. Have you used one before? When you use it at the range, it'll either make you look like a really good shooter, or like such a crap shooter that you'll switch it off out of embarrassment.

Nope never used one before. I was surprised at how expensive they were, seems to be good quality and the fit is excellent. I also got free batteries for life which is a nice benefit.

racerxj17 · 11-10-2009, 06:49 PM

i like guns

ive got a subcompact glock .40, a fullsize glock .40, a subcompact glock .45, a fullsize glock .45, a S&W .38, 870 shotty, 30.06, and a .22 for tinkering. too lazy to get pics

dad · 11-10-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by racerxj17

i like guns

ive got a subcompact glock .40, a fullsize glock .40, a subcompact glock .45, a fullsize glock .45, a S&W .38, 870 shotty, 30.06, and a .22 for tinkering. too lazy to get pics

870 shotty, ---shotgun?

racerxj17 · 11-10-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dad

870 shotty, ---shotgun?

Sorry... Yes Remington 870 12 gauge

SgtGoldy · 11-10-2009, 09:57 PM

870 I thought bout getting it... but I stuck with my Mossberg 500 tactical breacher. It just felt lighter, and since I would be using it for patrol and high risk situations i didn't know how long I would have to be holding it for. But the 870's action just feels... so rite lol

vash_241987 · 11-10-2009, 11:24 PM

you need one of these for home defense

Shooters Depot - SBRs (Short Barrel Rifles) AR-15
Here are a few that I have:

sold this one...miss the .45 now

Current xdm9

and a browning buckmark .22

Sadly I havn't been shooting in along time....

NXTAZEE · 11-11-2009, 12:59 AM

vash that 45 is beautiful.

vash_241987 · 11-11-2009, 09:47 AM

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vash that 45 is beautiful.

yeah....I keep kicking myself in the head....

Pushing_Tin · 11-12-2009, 03:05 AM

Went to the outdoor range today with my buddy. I shot with the laser and did great from 15+ yards, but not so good closer in. Is there a proper way to aim with a laser? Both eyes open or same as using a sight?

semtex · 11-12-2009, 09:12 AM

Whether you use one eye vs. two is immaterial. Indeed, one of the advantages of laser sights is faster point-of-aim acquisition without having to bring your gun up to the traditional sight level (i.e., you can keep both eyes open if you wish). Having said that, what you're describing makes complete sense. Presumably, one of the first things you did is you adjusted your laser sight so that the laser dot lined up right behind your front sight, like this:

So the white dot represents your front sight, and the red dot is the laser dot behind it.

Well, when you made this adjustment, you did it at a certain range, like 15 yards, for instance. The critical thing you need to understand is that the mounting of your laser sight is offset from your front iron sight. Take my Kimber, for example. The laser aperture is integrated into the right grip, which means the beam sits off to the right of my iron sights. Furthermore, in order for the laser beam to be aligned so that the red dot lands right behind my front sight at any given range, that beam must be set to point slightly left, as shown in this illustration below:

As you can see, those lines aren't perfectly parallel. And because of this, the alignment of the red dot behind the front iron sight will shift as your distance to the target deviates from the distance you calibrated the laser at.

The closer you are to your target (relative to the distance at which you calibrated your laser sight), the more the red dot will drift to the right, relative to your front iron sight. Here's the same graphic, but I've inserted a horizontal line to represent the shorter distance to the target. You can see how the red line of the laser now lands slightly to the right of the black line which represents your iron sight's point of aim.

And as I'm sure you can imagine, if you go the opposite direction and increase your distance to the target relative to your original calibration distance, the red line will actually cross over to the left of the black line, with the red dot of the laser landing to the left of your iron sight's point of aim. Make sense? (Sorry my drawing skills aren't better, but I think this illustrates the concept.)

The moral of this story is that when you calibrate your laser sight, you need to do it at a practical distance that will approximate the distance at which you might need to use your laser in a real-life situation. Most self-defense shootings happen at distances of 10 ft. or less (or something like that). So if you calibrate your laser to line up with your iron sight at, say, 50 yds., that's probably not a good idea. At 10 ft., that red dot is going to land way to the right of where your front iron sight is actually pointing. I have mine calibrated at 30 ft., just because that's usually where I set my target when I go to the range. Close up at 10 ft., my red dot does land to the right, but the deviation is small enough that I'm not worried about it. Let me put it this way, the deviation is large enough that it'd tick me off if I were trying to land bull's eyes on a paper target, but it's too small to make any significant difference if my target is a human torso. This is where trial and error comes into play. You just need to experiment until you find a comfortable distance to calibrate your laser at that meets your range needs as well as your self-defense needs.

speedoflife · 11-12-2009, 08:34 PM

Had one of these till it got stolen out of my vehicle... The one day I decide to put it in my car... Stupid of me. Very fishy circumstances around it's theft... Anyways. I loved it while I had it.

SOFLY00 · 11-12-2009, 08:52 PM

yikess lol

Pushing_Tin · 11-12-2009, 10:26 PM

Semtex, thanks so much for posting that!

11-10-2009, 06:49 PM	#244 (permalink)
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11-10-2009, 09:57 PM	#247 (permalink)
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11-11-2009, 12:59 AM	#249 (permalink)
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11-12-2009, 09:12 AM	#252 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	Whether you use one eye vs. two is immaterial. Indeed, one of the advantages of laser sights is faster point-of-aim acquisition without having to bring your gun up to the traditional sight level (i.e., you can keep both eyes open if you wish). Having said that, what you're describing makes complete sense. Presumably, one of the first things you did is you adjusted your laser sight so that the laser dot lined up right behind your front sight, like this: So the white dot represents your front sight, and the red dot is the laser dot behind it. Well, when you made this adjustment, you did it at a certain range, like 15 yards, for instance. The critical thing you need to understand is that the mounting of your laser sight is offset from your front iron sight. Take my Kimber, for example. The laser aperture is integrated into the right grip, which means the beam sits off to the right of my iron sights. Furthermore, in order for the laser beam to be aligned so that the red dot lands right behind my front sight at any given range, that beam must be set to point slightly left, as shown in this illustration below: As you can see, those lines aren't perfectly parallel. And because of this, the alignment of the red dot behind the front iron sight will shift as your distance to the target deviates from the distance you calibrated the laser at. The closer you are to your target (relative to the distance at which you calibrated your laser sight), the more the red dot will drift to the right, relative to your front iron sight. Here's the same graphic, but I've inserted a horizontal line to represent the shorter distance to the target. You can see how the red line of the laser now lands slightly to the right of the black line which represents your iron sight's point of aim. And as I'm sure you can imagine, if you go the opposite direction and increase your distance to the target relative to your original calibration distance, the red line will actually cross over to the left of the black line, with the red dot of the laser landing to the left of your iron sight's point of aim. Make sense? (Sorry my drawing skills aren't better, but I think this illustrates the concept.) The moral of this story is that when you calibrate your laser sight, you need to do it at a practical distance that will approximate the distance at which you might need to use your laser in a real-life situation. Most self-defense shootings happen at distances of 10 ft. or less (or something like that). So if you calibrate your laser to line up with your iron sight at, say, 50 yds., that's probably not a good idea. At 10 ft., that red dot is going to land way to the right of where your front iron sight is actually pointing. I have mine calibrated at 30 ft., just because that's usually where I set my target when I go to the range. Close up at 10 ft., my red dot does land to the right, but the deviation is small enough that I'm not worried about it. Let me put it this way, the deviation is large enough that it'd tick me off if I were trying to land bull's eyes on a paper target, but it's too small to make any significant difference if my target is a human torso. This is where trial and error comes into play. You just need to experiment until you find a comfortable distance to calibrate your laser at that meets your range needs as well as your self-defense needs. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf. Last edited by semtex; 11-12-2009 at 09:18 AM.

11-10-2009, 12:30 AM	#241 (permalink)
Pushing_Tin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 2,875 Drives: E63 AMG Rep Power: 228	I just got a crimson trace laser for my M&P compact, taking it to the range on Weds.

11-10-2009, 11:24 PM	#248 (permalink)
vash_241987 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Corpus Christi, Tx Posts: 443 Drives: '99 corolla Rep Power: 16	you need one of these for home defense Shooters Depot - SBRs (Short Barrel Rifles) AR-15 Here are a few that I have: sold this one...miss the .45 now Current xdm9 and a browning buckmark .22 Sadly I havn't been shooting in along time....

11-12-2009, 03:05 AM	#251 (permalink)
Pushing_Tin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 2,875 Drives: E63 AMG Rep Power: 228	Went to the outdoor range today with my buddy. I shot with the laser and did great from 15+ yards, but not so good closer in. Is there a proper way to aim with a laser? Both eyes open or same as using a sight?

11-12-2009, 08:34 PM	#253 (permalink)
speedoflife Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MS/TX Posts: 268 Drives: '06 Pontiac G.P. Rep Power: 16	Had one of these till it got stolen out of my vehicle... The one day I decide to put it in my car... Stupid of me. Very fishy circumstances around it's theft... Anyways. I loved it while I had it.

11-12-2009, 08:52 PM	#254 (permalink)
SOFLY00 Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: NY Posts: 148 Drives: g35 6mt Rep Power: 0	yikess lol

11-12-2009, 10:26 PM	#255 (permalink)
Pushing_Tin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 2,875 Drives: E63 AMG Rep Power: 228	Semtex, thanks so much for posting that!