Anyone here into firearms?

robin · 09-27-2009, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

For about 3 months. Very new.

yeah fairly new huh..well i guess you dig it!!

dad · 09-30-2009, 06:14 PM

WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court says it will take up a challenge to Chicago's ban on handguns, opening the way for a ruling that could set off a vigorous new campaign to roll back state and local gun controls across the nation.

Victory for gun-rights proponents in the Chicago case is considered likely, even by supporters of gun control, in the latest battle in the nation's long and often bitter dispute over the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. A ruling against the city's outright ban could lead to legal challenges to less-restrictive laws across the country that limit who can own guns, whether firearms must be registered and how they should be stored.

The case is to be argued early next year.

Last year, the justices struck down a prohibition on handguns in the District of Columbia, a city with unique federal status, as a violation of the Second Amendment. Now the court will decide whether that ruling should apply to local and state laws as well.

The court has previously said that most, but not all, rights laid out in the Constitution's Bill of Rights serve as checks on state as well as federal restrictions. Separately, 44 state constitutions already enshrine gun rights.

Though faced with potential limits from the high court on their ability to enact laws and regulations in this area, 34 states weighed in on the gun- rights side before the justices agreed to take the case Wednesday, an indication of the enduring strength of the National Rifle Association and its allies.

The gun case was among several the court added to its docket for the term that begins Monday. Others include:

• A challenge to part of a law that makes it a crime to provide financial and other aid to any group designated a terrorist organization.

• A dispute over when new, harsher penalties can be given to sex offenders who don't register with state sex offender databases.

• Whether to throw out a human rights lawsuit against a former prime minister of Somalia who is accused of overseeing killings and other atrocities. The issue is whether a federal law gives the former official, Mohamed Ali Samantar, immunity from lawsuits in U.S. courts.

In the gun case, outright handgun bans appear to be limited to Chicago and suburban Oak Park, Ill. But a ruling against those ordinances probably would "open up all the gun regulations in the country to constitutional scrutiny, of which there are quite a few," said Mark Tushnet, a Harvard Law School professor whose recent book "Out of Range" explores the often bitter national debate over guns.

Already, Alan Gura, who led the legal challenge to the Washington law and represents the plaintiff in Chicago, is suing to overturn the District of Columbia's prohibition on carrying firearms outside a person's home. Illinois and Wisconsin have similar restrictions.

In voiding Washington's handgun ban last year, Justice Antonin Scalia suggested that gun rights, like the right to speech, are limited and that many gun control measures could remain in place.

Ultimately, said Tushnet, the court will have to decide, possibly restriction by restriction, which limits are reasonable.

"It's very hard to know where this court would draw the line between reasonable and unreasonable," he said.

NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said he hopes the court rules that "core fundamental freedoms like speech, religion and, we believe, the right to keep and bear arms are intended to apply to every individual in the country."

Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said the court's decision to take up the new case was unsurprising in light of last year's ruling.

These cases should "take the extremes off the table," Helmke said, referring to bans on guns and unlimited gun rights. "What's critical for us is how the court goes about fleshing out what the limits are."

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago had upheld the gun bans as legitimate expressions of local and state rights.

Judge Frank Easterbrook, an appointee of President Ronald Reagan, wrote in the ruling that "the Constitution establishes a federal republic where local differences are to be cherished as elements of liberty rather than extirpated in order to produce a single, nationally applicable rule."

"Federalism is an older and more deeply rooted tradition than is a right to carry any particular kind of weapon," Easterbrook wrote.

Evaluating arguments over the extension of the Second Amendment is a job "for the justices rather than a court of appeals," he said.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor, then an appeals court judge, was part of a three-judge panel in New York that reached a similar conclusion in January.

The high court took the suggestion Wednesday.

Judges on both courts — Republican nominees in Chicago and Democratic nominees in New York — said only the Supreme Court could decide whether to extend last year's ruling throughout the country.

The New York ruling also has been challenged, but the court did not act on it Wednesday. Sotomayor would have to sit out any case involving decisions she was part of on the appeals court. Although the issue is the same in the Chicago case, there is no ethical bar to her participation in its consideration by the Supreme Court.

She replaced Justice David Souter, who dissented in the 5-4 Washington case, so the five-justice majority remains intact.

Several Republican senators cited the Sotomayor gun ruling, as well as her reticence on the topic at her confirmation hearing, in explaining their decision to oppose her confirmation to the high court.

The case is McDonald v. Chicago, 08-1521.

dad · 10-06-2009, 10:56 PM

If you live(or visit)California...

http://www.gunlaw.com/index.php

dad · 10-10-2009, 01:22 PM

Polls Show Record-Low Support for Stricter Gun Laws

Results from a just-released Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that, more and more, Americans are in support of the Second Amendment and its individual guarantee of law-abiding citizens to Keep and Bear Arms, and oppose more restrictions on that right.

Among the surveys highlights:

Only 39% of Americans say the United States needs stricter gun control;

50% are opposed to stricter gun control laws and 11% are not sure;

69% of adults say city governments do not have the right to prevent citizens from owning handguns;

87% of Republicans, 52% of Democrats, and 72% of "unaffiliateds" say cities do not have the right to ban handgun ownership;

71% of Americans continue to believe that the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right of an average citizen to own a gun, and;

63% of voters agreed with the Supreme Court's landmark District of Columbia v. Heller decision, saying the Second Amendment granted individuals the right to own a gun for self-defense.
Also released this week were the results of a new Gallup poll (Gallup's annual Crime Poll, conducted October 1-4, 2009). The results of this poll show that a new low of only 44% of Americans who say the laws covering firearm sales should be made stricter. That is down five points in the last year, and 34 points from the high of 78%, recorded the first time the question was asked in 1990.

The Gallup poll also found a new low in the percentage of Americans favoring a ban on handgun possession except by the police and other authorized persons, a question that dates back to 1959. Only 28% now favor such a ban.

The poll states that, "Compared with views in 2000, each major demographic or attitudinal subgroup has shown a shift toward a more pro-gun stance on the question about whether gun laws should be more strict or less strict."

In conclusion, the poll found that, "Americans continue to trend toward holding attitudes that are more in favor of gun rights, and Gallup today finds new low points in favor of gun control on two separate measures dating back at least two decades," and that, "the current poll marks the first time Gallup has not found a significantly higher proportion of Americans preferring tighter gun-sale regulations."

The results of these latest polls make clear—yet again—that more and more Americans overwhelmingly support our Second Amendment rights and lawful gun ownership and reject gun control schemes.

semtex · 10-12-2009, 08:49 AM

Have you guys heard about the Blair Holt Bill yet? It's H.R. 45. I found out about it when a friend of mine sent me an email going around about a bill that will require us to list all firearms we own on our federal income tax returns beginning next year. Now, according to snopes, this tax return thing is false. A proposal to require gun owners to list their firearms on federal income tax returns was in fact part of Senate Bill 2099, way back in 2000, but it didn't make it through committee. snopes.com: Handgun Safety and Registration Act

But in researching this, I came across Blair Holt. According to the email going around, it has a bunch of insidious provisions, including registry, fingerprinting, submission to physical and mental evaluation. There is a provision stating that you must keep your guns locked up and inaccessible to children under 18, and the government has the right to come and inspect how you're storing your guns. If you're not storing them correctly, you can be fined and imprisoned for up to 5 years.

Now, according to snopes, the part about a federal registry is true. But the part about physical and mental health evaluation is false. You have to certify that you'll keep your firearms inaccessible to anyone under 18, but the part about the government's right of inspection applies to firearms-related business only, not ordinary households. There's still a lot of info to digest though. I recommend looking through the article as well as the actual bill.

Here's the snopes article:
snopes.com: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act

And here's the actual bill:
GovTrack: H.R. 45: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House

NXTAZEE · 10-12-2009, 12:52 PM

Hey guy's, I'm new to firearms. I'm in the process of getting my restricted so I can purchase a handgun. I'm interested in IPSC/USPSA run and gun shooting. Anyone here practice or compete? Any advice on which gun for production division? I'm looking at the CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow or maybe a Glock. Here is a link to the Shadow Ceska zbrojovka a.s. - CZ 75 SP-01 SHADOW

10-14-2009, 06:05 PM

Can anyone tell me bout the Beretta 92fs?

semtex · 10-14-2009, 06:13 PM

Can you be more specific? What do you want to know about them? I used to own one.

10-14-2009, 06:14 PM

How are they? Good guns? Im not sure if I want the 92 or just get the 96 for the .40

dad · 10-14-2009, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue660r01

Can anyone tell me bout the Beretta 92fs?

Nice gun , very reliable in function.
But-Slides were breaking off, if the ammo that was being used had to much power.(but I believe that was just the Military using to strong an ammo). I not sure but Beretta may have corrected that problem, with a stronger slide/updated model.

http://www.thegunzone.com/m9-a.html

10-14-2009, 06:29 PM

thanks

semtex · 10-14-2009, 07:30 PM

I recall that I wasn't a big fan of the open slide. It would occasionally pinch my fingers for some reason. Plus after a range session, one can accidentally burn his fingers against the exposed hot barrel. But to be fair, it was a long time ago that I owned one and I was a novice back then. Those issues could have had more to do with ineptitude on my part.

SgtGoldy · 11-09-2009, 01:31 PM

So I just bought myself a Mossberg 500 Tactical Breacher for patrol. Yea frickin amazing. My camera is broken so Ill post pics once I can, but I found one online so here it is (exactly like mine except I have a redot on it)

dad · 11-09-2009, 04:35 PM

^Very good, reliable gun!

SgtGoldy · 11-09-2009, 05:50 PM

it better be if it might save my life one day lol

09-30-2009, 06:14 PM	#227 (permalink)
dad Grand Prix of Endurance Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tennessee Posts: 3,476 Drives: Mulsanne Straight Rep Power: 26	Ban handguns? Supreme Court taking a new look WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court says it will take up a challenge to Chicago's ban on handguns, opening the way for a ruling that could set off a vigorous new campaign to roll back state and local gun controls across the nation. Victory for gun-rights proponents in the Chicago case is considered likely, even by supporters of gun control, in the latest battle in the nation's long and often bitter dispute over the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. A ruling against the city's outright ban could lead to legal challenges to less-restrictive laws across the country that limit who can own guns, whether firearms must be registered and how they should be stored. The case is to be argued early next year. Last year, the justices struck down a prohibition on handguns in the District of Columbia, a city with unique federal status, as a violation of the Second Amendment. Now the court will decide whether that ruling should apply to local and state laws as well. The court has previously said that most, but not all, rights laid out in the Constitution's Bill of Rights serve as checks on state as well as federal restrictions. Separately, 44 state constitutions already enshrine gun rights. Though faced with potential limits from the high court on their ability to enact laws and regulations in this area, 34 states weighed in on the gun- rights side before the justices agreed to take the case Wednesday, an indication of the enduring strength of the National Rifle Association and its allies. The gun case was among several the court added to its docket for the term that begins Monday. Others include: • A challenge to part of a law that makes it a crime to provide financial and other aid to any group designated a terrorist organization. • A dispute over when new, harsher penalties can be given to sex offenders who don't register with state sex offender databases. • Whether to throw out a human rights lawsuit against a former prime minister of Somalia who is accused of overseeing killings and other atrocities. The issue is whether a federal law gives the former official, Mohamed Ali Samantar, immunity from lawsuits in U.S. courts. In the gun case, outright handgun bans appear to be limited to Chicago and suburban Oak Park, Ill. But a ruling against those ordinances probably would "open up all the gun regulations in the country to constitutional scrutiny, of which there are quite a few," said Mark Tushnet, a Harvard Law School professor whose recent book "Out of Range" explores the often bitter national debate over guns. Already, Alan Gura, who led the legal challenge to the Washington law and represents the plaintiff in Chicago, is suing to overturn the District of Columbia's prohibition on carrying firearms outside a person's home. Illinois and Wisconsin have similar restrictions. In voiding Washington's handgun ban last year, Justice Antonin Scalia suggested that gun rights, like the right to speech, are limited and that many gun control measures could remain in place. Ultimately, said Tushnet, the court will have to decide, possibly restriction by restriction, which limits are reasonable. "It's very hard to know where this court would draw the line between reasonable and unreasonable," he said. NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said he hopes the court rules that "core fundamental freedoms like speech, religion and, we believe, the right to keep and bear arms are intended to apply to every individual in the country." Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said the court's decision to take up the new case was unsurprising in light of last year's ruling. These cases should "take the extremes off the table," Helmke said, referring to bans on guns and unlimited gun rights. "What's critical for us is how the court goes about fleshing out what the limits are." The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago had upheld the gun bans as legitimate expressions of local and state rights. Judge Frank Easterbrook, an appointee of President Ronald Reagan, wrote in the ruling that "the Constitution establishes a federal republic where local differences are to be cherished as elements of liberty rather than extirpated in order to produce a single, nationally applicable rule." "Federalism is an older and more deeply rooted tradition than is a right to carry any particular kind of weapon," Easterbrook wrote. Evaluating arguments over the extension of the Second Amendment is a job "for the justices rather than a court of appeals," he said. Justice Sonia Sotomayor, then an appeals court judge, was part of a three-judge panel in New York that reached a similar conclusion in January. The high court took the suggestion Wednesday. Judges on both courts — Republican nominees in Chicago and Democratic nominees in New York — said only the Supreme Court could decide whether to extend last year's ruling throughout the country. The New York ruling also has been challenged, but the court did not act on it Wednesday. Sotomayor would have to sit out any case involving decisions she was part of on the appeals court. Although the issue is the same in the Chicago case, there is no ethical bar to her participation in its consideration by the Supreme Court. She replaced Justice David Souter, who dissented in the 5-4 Washington case, so the five-justice majority remains intact. Several Republican senators cited the Sotomayor gun ruling, as well as her reticence on the topic at her confirmation hearing, in explaining their decision to oppose her confirmation to the high court. The case is McDonald v. Chicago, 08-1521. __________________ We can do without any article of luxury we have never had; but once obtained, it is not in human nature to surrender it voluntary.

10-06-2009, 10:56 PM	#228 (permalink)
dad Grand Prix of Endurance Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tennessee Posts: 3,476 Drives: Mulsanne Straight Rep Power: 26	If you live(or visit)California... http://www.gunlaw.com/index.php __________________ We can do without any article of luxury we have never had; but once obtained, it is not in human nature to surrender it voluntary.

10-10-2009, 01:22 PM	#229 (permalink)
dad Grand Prix of Endurance Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tennessee Posts: 3,476 Drives: Mulsanne Straight Rep Power: 26	Polls Show Record-Low Support for Stricter Gun Laws Results from a just-released Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that, more and more, Americans are in support of the Second Amendment and its individual guarantee of law-abiding citizens to Keep and Bear Arms, and oppose more restrictions on that right. Among the surveys highlights: Only 39% of Americans say the United States needs stricter gun control; 50% are opposed to stricter gun control laws and 11% are not sure; 69% of adults say city governments do not have the right to prevent citizens from owning handguns; 87% of Republicans, 52% of Democrats, and 72% of "unaffiliateds" say cities do not have the right to ban handgun ownership; 71% of Americans continue to believe that the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right of an average citizen to own a gun, and; 63% of voters agreed with the Supreme Court's landmark District of Columbia v. Heller decision, saying the Second Amendment granted individuals the right to own a gun for self-defense. Also released this week were the results of a new Gallup poll (Gallup's annual Crime Poll, conducted October 1-4, 2009). The results of this poll show that a new low of only 44% of Americans who say the laws covering firearm sales should be made stricter. That is down five points in the last year, and 34 points from the high of 78%, recorded the first time the question was asked in 1990. The Gallup poll also found a new low in the percentage of Americans favoring a ban on handgun possession except by the police and other authorized persons, a question that dates back to 1959. Only 28% now favor such a ban. The poll states that, "Compared with views in 2000, each major demographic or attitudinal subgroup has shown a shift toward a more pro-gun stance on the question about whether gun laws should be more strict or less strict." In conclusion, the poll found that, "Americans continue to trend toward holding attitudes that are more in favor of gun rights, and Gallup today finds new low points in favor of gun control on two separate measures dating back at least two decades," and that, "the current poll marks the first time Gallup has not found a significantly higher proportion of Americans preferring tighter gun-sale regulations." The results of these latest polls make clear—yet again—that more and more Americans overwhelmingly support our Second Amendment rights and lawful gun ownership and reject gun control schemes. __________________ We can do without any article of luxury we have never had; but once obtained, it is not in human nature to surrender it voluntary.

10-12-2009, 08:49 AM	#230 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	Have you guys heard about the Blair Holt Bill yet? It's H.R. 45. I found out about it when a friend of mine sent me an email going around about a bill that will require us to list all firearms we own on our federal income tax returns beginning next year. Now, according to snopes, this tax return thing is false. A proposal to require gun owners to list their firearms on federal income tax returns was in fact part of Senate Bill 2099, way back in 2000, but it didn't make it through committee. snopes.com: Handgun Safety and Registration Act But in researching this, I came across Blair Holt. According to the email going around, it has a bunch of insidious provisions, including registry, fingerprinting, submission to physical and mental evaluation. There is a provision stating that you must keep your guns locked up and inaccessible to children under 18, and the government has the right to come and inspect how you're storing your guns. If you're not storing them correctly, you can be fined and imprisoned for up to 5 years. Now, according to snopes, the part about a federal registry is true. But the part about physical and mental health evaluation is false. You have to certify that you'll keep your firearms inaccessible to anyone under 18, but the part about the government's right of inspection applies to firearms-related business only, not ordinary households. There's still a lot of info to digest though. I recommend looking through the article as well as the actual bill. Here's the snopes article: snopes.com: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act And here's the actual bill: GovTrack: H.R. 45: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

10-12-2009, 12:52 PM	#231 (permalink)
NXTAZEE Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 530 Drives: 2010 370Z 7AT Rep Power: 17	Hey guy's, I'm new to firearms. I'm in the process of getting my restricted so I can purchase a handgun. I'm interested in IPSC/USPSA run and gun shooting. Anyone here practice or compete? Any advice on which gun for production division? I'm looking at the CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow or maybe a Glock. Here is a link to the Shadow Ceska zbrojovka a.s. - CZ 75 SP-01 SHADOW __________________ 2010 Carbon Silver 370Z 7AT charcoal int. sports package \| Clear Bra \| Invidia Gemini CBE \| CF B-Pillars \| CF Fangs \| CF Z emblems \| Swift Springs \| 20mm & 25mm Spacers \| SPC Camber Arms \| Brushed Aluminum shift knob

10-14-2009, 06:05 PM	#232 (permalink)
blue660r01 Guest Posts: n/a	Can anyone tell me bout the Beretta 92fs?

10-14-2009, 06:13 PM	#233 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	Can you be more specific? What do you want to know about them? I used to own one. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

10-14-2009, 06:14 PM	#234 (permalink)
blue660r01 Guest Posts: n/a	How are they? Good guns? Im not sure if I want the 92 or just get the 96 for the .40

10-14-2009, 06:29 PM	#236 (permalink)
blue660r01 Guest Posts: n/a	thanks

10-14-2009, 07:30 PM	#237 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	I recall that I wasn't a big fan of the open slide. It would occasionally pinch my fingers for some reason. Plus after a range session, one can accidentally burn his fingers against the exposed hot barrel. But to be fair, it was a long time ago that I owned one and I was a novice back then. Those issues could have had more to do with ineptitude on my part. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

11-09-2009, 01:31 PM	#238 (permalink)
SgtGoldy A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 3,503 Drives: C63 AMG - LSD Rep Power: 650	So I just bought myself a Mossberg 500 Tactical Breacher for patrol. Yea frickin amazing. My camera is broken so Ill post pics once I can, but I found one online so here it is (exactly like mine except I have a redot on it) __________________ C63 AMG LSD - Straight Pipe - EuroCharge v5 - Vossen CV7 - IG: @SuperFastYo

11-09-2009, 04:35 PM	#239 (permalink)
dad Grand Prix of Endurance Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tennessee Posts: 3,476 Drives: Mulsanne Straight Rep Power: 26	^Very good, reliable gun! __________________ We can do without any article of luxury we have never had; but once obtained, it is not in human nature to surrender it voluntary.

11-09-2009, 05:50 PM	#240 (permalink)
SgtGoldy A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 3,503 Drives: C63 AMG - LSD Rep Power: 650	it better be if it might save my life one day lol __________________ C63 AMG LSD - Straight Pipe - EuroCharge v5 - Vossen CV7 - IG: @SuperFastYo