Anyone here into firearms?

wstar · 12-12-2012, 08:24 AM

Re: the 5.56 CQB debate: yeah it all depends on the ammo. There are obviously superior cartridges, but 5.56 has the (to me, massive) benefit of ubiquity. No matter what kind of zombie scenario you ever find yourself in, if there's a gun store around or an ammo depot to raid, there will be 5.56 in stock

. You can't say that about a lot of the specialty stuff. .308 (aka 7.62x51 NATO) and 9mm (x19) are similarly really solid choices on universal, unending availability anywhere on the planet.

My 5.56 stuff of choice is Hornady 75gr TAP when I have the choice and the dollars to stock it though. But really, M855 works fine and I stock that too for plinking and emergency supplies. Either way it will get the job done. If you don't think it's an effective deterrent or manstopper, I challenge you to select the worst-performing normal 5.56 round you can find and stand 100 yards away while someone unloads a clip of it into your chest

MacCool · 12-12-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Re: the 5.56 CQB debate: yeah it all depends on the ammo.

No. Actually it depends very little on the ammo. It depends mostly on the ability of the shooter to consistently get rounds on target.

Many people like to obsess over their ammo choice, yet pay little attention to their training and practice. I would much rather put my life in the hands of a well-trained shooter shooting M193 than a casual weekend plinker shooting the most magical self-defense bullet on the market.

I see a lot of people on this forum with some really great hardware. They describe it well and lovingly post pictures of it here for all of us to drool over. I rarely see anyone here post their experience at their recent defensive carbine training course.

The hardware, ammo included is important. The ability to use that hardware effectively is infinitely more important. Before spending much mental effort on which ammo you're going to use in your defensive carbine, I think it's most wise to realistically evaluate your ability to shoot effectively in those scenarios that go beyond punching paper or plinking at tin cans. Go buy 5,000 rounds of .223 and shoot it over the next year. Take at least one defensive carbine course. THEN let's have the discussion about which ammo will kill a human best. Until then, save your money. You're going to be far more likely to just put a lot of expensive ammo past your attacker's 10-ring.

ImportConvert · 12-12-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

No. Actually it depends very little on the ammo. It depends mostly on the ability of the shooter to consistently get rounds on target.

Many people like to obsess over their ammo choice, yet pay little attention to their training and practice. I would much rather put my life in the hands of a well-trained shooter shooting M193 than a casual weekend plinker shooting the most magical self-defense bullet on the market.

I see a lot of people on this forum with some really great hardware. They describe it well and lovingly post pictures of it here for all of us to drool over. I rarely see anyone here post their experience at their recent defensive carbine training course.

The hardware, ammo included is important. The ability to use that hardware effectively is infinitely more important. Before spending much mental effort on which ammo you're going to use in your defensive carbine, I think it's most wise to realistically evaluate your ability to shoot effectively in those scenarios that go beyond punching paper or plinking at tin cans. Go buy 5,000 rounds of .223 and shoot it over the next year. Take at least one defensive carbine course. THEN let's have the discussion about which ammo will kill a human best. Until then, save your money. You're going to be far more likely to just put a lot of expensive ammo past your attacker's 10-ring.

I agree, except when it comes to barriers. In 5.56, you really REALLY need bonded ammo if you plan to encounter them.

As for me, VTAC Carbine 1.5 this November, scheduled for Streetfighter this coming April, not sure what's after that. As always, put them where it matters as quick as possible!

xdeslitx · 12-12-2012, 01:02 PM

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unloads a clip

one of my biggest pet peeves

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wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	Re: the 5.56 CQB debate: yeah it all depends on the ammo. There are obviously superior cartridges, but 5.56 has the (to me, massive) benefit of ubiquity. No matter what kind of zombie scenario you ever find yourself in, if there's a gun store around or an ammo depot to raid, there will be 5.56 in stock . You can't say that about a lot of the specialty stuff. .308 (aka 7.62x51 NATO) and 9mm (x19) are similarly really solid choices on universal, unending availability anywhere on the planet. My 5.56 stuff of choice is Hornady 75gr TAP when I have the choice and the dollars to stock it though. But really, M855 works fine and I stock that too for plinking and emergency supplies. Either way it will get the job done. If you don't think it's an effective deterrent or manstopper, I challenge you to select the worst-performing normal 5.56 round you can find and stand 100 yards away while someone unloads a clip of it into your chest __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details Last edited by wstar; 12-12-2012 at 08:28 AM.