Anyone here into firearms?

Vichtz

hey guys, sorry for the thread jack, but I turn 21 on the 21st of this month rather than be another statistic, I've decided rather than drink I'm going to get my first handgun. My father and I have been shooting for years, and I already own a Kel-tec RFB, Mossberg 500, and rem 700 in 300wm. I was looking for suggestions on which handgun. My dad has an HK USP that has the nastiest trigger I have ever used so I don't want to go that way. I found a screamin deal on Sprinfield Armory lightweight operator 1911, are they any good? I know SA is a premium brand, but I have never actually had any range time with one.

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frost

If you have a range that lets you rent pistols, I'd rent a handful of different types and see which one you like most. It's really too subjective to get advice from other people. (Plus, we don't even know what you're using it for ... concealed carry, target practice, etc.)

m4a1mustang

SA makes nice 1911s, so if that's the type of pistol you want and you get a good deal on it... go for it!

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Ubetit

Something wrong with it? I have many HKs and none of them have a "nasty" trigger

bdub561

I have a H&K USP .40 Compact and the trigger is fine on it. Shoots perfectly straight right out of the box too

diddy535

Have an HK USP 9 Compact. Never did anything to the trigger, works perfectly fine.

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BlackZeda

I recommend a HK USP .40 or .45

ImportConvert

I played the 1911 game, too. Les Baer (TRS, factory Hard Chrome), Colt (80-series, my Dad owns it), Wilson Combat (Tactical Supergrade).

All of these have proven unreliable and my Dad keeps his for sentimental reasons, I sold him the Baer because he doesn't care if it jams or not and how crappy the workmanship on it is as long as it looks good on the outside and is accurate, Wilson bought the Supergrade back from me after the 3rd warranty return.

Now? I sold my Gen 3 Glock because someone at work wanted it REALLY BAD! So I made a buck. One thing I noticed is that every now and then it would eject cases right back at me, barely missing my face. FFWD about 6 months and I am looking at Gen 4's to replace it. I read on a bunch of forums that THEY do this, and what do ya know? The late 3rd gens did, too! Explains that...

So, after a few conversations with MD Roberts on the issue, I am going with an M&P 9c. If the trigger sucks after 1,000 or 2 rounds, I will just drop the APEX parts in and all will be gravy. The accuracy issues are with the full-size M&P's. Not a single issue with the compact series, and from what I hear, S&W is handling up on the full-size, now.

Mt Tam I am

The super grade 1911's that shoot 2" groups @50+ yards are not the WWII looser tolerance never jam type.

When I carried a 1911 daily I had a regular no frills version. I have numerous model 70 Gold cups, had two Les Baer's, a Wilson, and an Ed Brown. They are like your AR, Ferraris in a clean environment. Not so great in a dirty gritty environment like the M1A or M14.

I like Glock but get a bigger bullet. A .45 comes pre expanded. At least a 40 S&W. All you'd need is a drop in bbl and new mags.

With that said my friend used a Beretta 9mm and one shot one kill (head). So you will have a gun (9x19) in a gun fight .

I think this is similar to the HP debate.

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The irony is that in 1968 the M16 was tested against the M14 and over-all across jungle, beach, etc. it proved more reliable, as a whole, and never much better/worse in each individual environment.

The M4 is plenty reliable. My 1911's? They crapped the bed IN a clean environment.

The M4 is tested to withstand 3600 rounds between stoppages. The target for the MEUsoc 1911? 300. That tells it.



Anyway, I bring more than bickering, I ordered one of these today (yesterday, now, technically), so make fun of me or be jealous of me, whatever, it will be here in 2 days:

BlackZeda

I know someone is going to take exception to this, but oh well; I like my S&W 1911 plenty but the design is archaic. It seems like it is something they came up with 100 years ago

Someone else has said this, but the H&K USP .45ACP IS a modernized 1911 taking advantage of new materials and technology while adding new features such as a decocker, double-action trigger and a safety that can be engaged at any time.

Ironically I am selling my H&K USP .45 since I am picking up a H&K HK45C tomorrow. My Glock 19 is being sold as well because I have decided that even though there are many advantages to a striker-fired pistol, I just feel comfortable with DA when there is a round in the chamber while I am carrying it. Also being sold is my H&K P30L 9mm since even though I have a lot of range time with it, it is still the pistol I am the most inaccurate with. It is a fine weapon but the "spiderman" grips somehow screws with my trigger control. My H&K P2000SK gives me tighter groups where I want them even though it is a much smaller handgun. I think I might pick up an H&K P2000 to replace it since it has the nice flat grip which seems to suit me.

I will post pics