Anyone here into firearms?

ImportConvert

Tried it, but not a fan. Smells nice, stays put, but I believe wintergreen oil is what the main ingredient is. Consider, the claims made, and then consider that wintergreen oil has indeed been used inside cannon barrels historically, has the same smell, etc., has been used to loosen rusted bolts on ships, and other saline prevalent areas, has been used when rubbed into joints to ease pain.

Basically, the claims are the same as the historical uses of the oil, and one of the stories is that it was found in a cannon barrel...

Sounds like it to me.

Wintergreen oil isn't the greatest lube, though. Apparently, not the best rust prevention, either, based on every test I have seen with Froglube and the one I conducted myself.

Until further notice, I use Breakfree CLP for anti-corrosion, and LaRue MG lube and TW25B as a lubricant.

MacCool

Nice rifle. Top quality all the way.

I hope your stamp comes earlier than the 3-5 months some of them are taking.

ImportConvert

Thanks! I'm expecting 5-6 months. Anything sooner, and I will be happy. It's how I am going about this. Expecting the worst, hoping for the best.

Thing is, once I have it, I have it. Barrier to entry only makes it cooler. If everyone drive an F458, they would get boring fast

I built this AR to be my one semi-auto 5.56 platform. No compromises. Sadly, it's worth more than my 2002 G20 daily-driver in perfect mechanical condition even without the can, lol

m4a1mustang

Nice rifle IC

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TY! Now for a camera to take better pictures of it...

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MacCool

No compromise is right. Really nice stuff.

Virtually all of my rifles are built on Noveske uppers and lowers, and I have one Light Recce w/VIS. I think the VIS adds a little weight to the package but it's absolutely rigid and I think makes for a better rifle. That rifle has had about 6000 rounds through it, including 2000 rounds at a 3-day carbine course where all I did was oil it (no cleaning) -- has functioned flawlessly.

My only mishap with that Noveske rifle has been that the rear Troy sight fell off (lack of LocTite). Unfortunately, it fell off right at Jeff Gonzales' feet at that last TriCon course. I did not become "that guy", but it was not an impressive event.

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The first thing I did was remove both F/R Troy's and apply blue lock-tite after alcohol-ing the screw.

I really like the VIS. I like to be able to wipe down the external barrel with CLP to protect against corrosion here in the humid south, but I don't like the idea of re-zeroing my BUIS every time I remove the rail to do it. The VLTOR VIS eliminates this issue. Further, I just think it looks cooler. As to weight, it's not a very heavy "rail". It may add 1/4#, but that's the max I would guess.

VLTOR is a VERY good company, as well. They are a division of Abrams. The company that helps NASA put things into outer-space and designs military-grade electronic housings (they know how to heat-sink things...)

I spoke with Kino for about a half hour about the MUR before I was finally on board with it. The amount of engineering in just the MUR is astounding. Cryo treatment, etc. He even e-mailed me pictures of multiple MUR's that had held together during fired OOB incidents. I was impressed!

The ultimate reason I prefer and went with the MUR and VIS for this setup was rigidity. I am going to be hanging 16oz off the end of the barrel. I wanted the most rigid receiver I could get to minimize POI shift. Noveske's re-profiled barrel is also VERY rigid, and they absolutely know how to concentrically thread it.

The thing most people question about my setup is the TA44SG-10.

If you have never tried it, you need to. All that babbling about the Bindon Aiming Concept finally makes sense when you move to 1.5X magnification.

BlackZeda

Where the heck can you buy a Noveske upper and lower? The gun dealers around here say they are virtually impossible to get nowadays. I have looked at the online stores but they are always out of stock. Any suggestions?

MacCool

The Noveske matched upper/lowers are nice - they are hand-fitted so they are absolutely exact...no slop or play whatsoever. Not that the play between any particular upper and lower has any effect on accuracy or function, but my general preference is for a rifle that doesn't rattle.

When I was looking for a couple of matched uppers/lowers about a year ago, I called Noveske. Shari told me that they were out of stock, but she gave me the names of a couple of their distributors where their most recent production run was headed. I called around to them, found some at JP Ten Sports in Texas and bought them there. Prior to that, I had always bought them from Noveske, but as you note, they are a hot commodity, especially now with their new version lower (as pictured above in ImportConvert's images. Noveske's first couple of runs of those matched uppers/lowers went to building their own rifles, next to their distributors, last to themselves for sale. They are still very hard to find.

ImportConvert

Standard Lower:
Rainier Arms, LLC™ | Browse | Receivers - Lowers | Noveske Lower Receiver - 5.56MM
or the new forged one like mine...
Rainier Arms, LLC™ | Browse | Receivers - Lowers | Noveske Lower Receiver - 5.56MM GEN2
Upper:
Rainier Arms, LLC™ | Browse | Receivers - Upper | Noveske Upper Receiver w/Extended Feed Ramps (M4)
Matched Set:
Rainier Arms, LLC™ | Browse | Receivers - Lowers | Noveske Upper/Lower Matched Set
Or, if you want a VIS/MUR like I have, just buy from Vltor, they are who Noveske gets them from obviously.
Rainier Arms, LLC™ | Browse | Receivers - Upper | VLTOR MUR (Modular Upper Receiver) w/Forward Assist
Rainier Arms, LLC™ | Browse | VLTOR | VLTOR VIS Monolithic Upper Receiver - 10

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I like Shari. She's a pretty face with some brains. So rare that the "receptionist" is also a brain.

Anyway, my upper/lower are not fitted as Vltor made the MUR/VIS, and Noveske made the lower, but it still fits VERY tight. I can move the two, but there is no rattle.

That being said, the rifles that do slop and rattle are just as accurate as the ones that don't.

I cannot recommend the VIS/MUR enough, if you are planning on suppression. For that matter, I wouldn't own a suppressed AR without a switchblock, and I FIRMLY believe in pinned blocks. The complete Noveske upper is the way to go imo. You won't find a better barrel, and that way you know the threads are concentric before you put your $1400 can on there and pull the trigger knowing that if they are not concentric, you will blow the end-cap out.

BlackZeda

I did find Rainer Arms when searching, but didn't see the matched set option...I am down with that! Well I did the Notify Me thing, so I guess I will see if that will get me anywhere. It is better than the chuckle I get when I talk to a gun store guy.

If I were to go with the VIS or MUR, I would probably just buy a complete rifle, which I think would be more available. The logic being that there is probably more margin in complete rifles. Who knows...

Thanks for the information and I will let you know when I get my hands on a sexy Noveske anytime soon.

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