Anyone here into firearms?

GMZ · 07-29-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Just as a counterpoint though, there was an accident in the 80's in the small town where I grew up where a small boy (I want to say ~4-5 years old) got into dad's closet and found his loaded revolver which was hidden in a boot (of all places - the father was a cop and should've known better) and accidentally shot himself in the stomach playing with it. The kid lived, with lots of surgery and a giant scar up his abdomen. I'm all for the argument of educating kids to know and respect firearms, and I think that strategy works well after a certain point in the child's maturity level. However, there's nothing you can show to a 5 year old, or tell them, that will make them not play with a dangerous thing left available. Any kind of locked cabinet (even the cheesy old gun cabinets made of paper-thin wood with a glass front and a skeleton key) would have prevented that.

True, and leaving it loaded is indeed tempting fate just a little bit.

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

That's a good point. That's the big thing is "educating" them would be great first step.

Unfortunately these days parents seem content to let Direct TV raise their kids, although the camaraderie/family/respecting nature aspect of the gun/sporting culture mitigates that somewhat because after all its serious business. When I was a kid I was so hyper I almost got kicked out of every school I was in, but as soon as it was time to go hunting I was so stone faced that my parents wanted me to go more.

wstar · 07-29-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GMZ

True, and leaving it loaded is indeed tempting fate just a little bit.

Yeah that's the important point. If you feel like (for whatever professional or personal reasons) you need to keep a loaded gun available in the house and you've got small children, the only option is to keep it on you in a (possibly concealed) holster, so that it's never out of your control.

semtex · 07-30-2009, 12:15 PM

Added to my collection a few days ago:

HK USP .45 Compact w/ LEM trigger
Holds 8+1. I've got all my .45 cal pistols loaded with Speer Gold Dot +P 200gr. now. I intend to use this as one of my regular carry pistols.

dad · 08-01-2009, 05:43 PM

NRA falls short in bid to block Sotomayor

WASHINGTON – The National Rifle Association's threat to punish senators who vote for Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor has been met with a shrug by Democrats from conservative-leaning states and some Republicans who are breaking with their party to support her.

The gun rights group is used to getting its way by spooking lawmakers about the political consequences of defying its wishes. But it never before has weighed in on a Supreme Court confirmation battle. It was cautious about breaking that pattern, and it looks like a losing a fight to defeat President Barack Obama's first pick for the court.

Sotomayor is expected to easily win confirmation in a vote this coming week that could deflate the long-accepted truism in Washington that you don't cross the NRA.

Voting "yes" will include A-plus-rated and NRA-endorsed Democratic Sen. Max Baucus and his fellow Montanan, A-rated Sen. Jon Tester, as well as A-rated and NRA-endorsed Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander, the only GOP leader to break with the rest of this party to back Sotomayor.

That's not to say that the NRA's late decision to wade in hasn't had an impact.

Many Republicans who were considered possible "yes" votes for Sotomayor — including Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, Georgia Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson, and Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison — have come out against her after the NRA's announcement, citing gun rights concerns as an important reason.

Some Democrats who have high NRA ratings, including Alaska Sen. Mark Begich and Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson, are on the fence.

Still, the NRA's threats seem to hold less potency on this vote. Asked whether he was worried about ruining his perfect NRA score and endorsement by opting to vote for Sotomayor, Nelson paused and said with a smile, "I'd probably have a good rating regardless."

The NRA derives much of its considerable clout from what has become a kind of mantra on Capitol Hill: Defy the gun lobby on something it cares about and face recriminations at the polls; back it and enjoy a substantial political boost.

It's something of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Lawmakers generally are terrified to test it, and the NRA is politically savvy about which issues it takes on. Its won-loss record adds to its reputation as untouchable.

So why would the gun lobby risk undercutting its clout by stepping into this Supreme Court debate?

GOP leaders, particularly Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Senate's top Republican, helped forced the group's hand.

At the conclusion of the Senate Judiciary Committee's confirmation hearing for Sotomayor two weeks ago, the NRA came out in opposition to her, calling her "hostile" to the Second Amendment right to bear arms. But it stopped short of saying it would include the vote on her confirmation in its political ratings.

In a later meeting on Capitol Hill with Republican senators and conservative activists, McConnell asked if the group planned to "score" the confirmation vote. The NRA was noncommittal.

Accounts of the meeting vary, and McConnell's aides deny that he leaned on the NRA to rate the Sotomayor vote. But others present or briefed later on the session said it was clear that McConnell and other leaders wanted the NRA's scorekeeping.

"The Republican leadership reminded them that if they don't care about judges, they should," said Curt Levey of the conservative Committee for Justice. "For 130 years, the NRA could be effective by focusing on legislation, but now, after last year's Supreme Court decision in Heller, this issue is in the courts — pretty much like abortion was after Roe v. Wade."

In the Heller case, the Supreme Court last year struck down the District of Columbia's handgun ban and held that individuals have a constitutional right to guns. But it was a narrow ruling that the court didn't apply to states' controls on guns.

The NRA says it sat on the fence for so long on Sotomayor because its leaders wanted to give her the opportunity to reassure gun rights supporters during her confirmation hearings about her views on the issue.

In her testimony, Sotomayor declined to call gun rights "fundamental" — meaning that they apply to states as well as the federal government — although she said she'd have an open mind on the issue if it came before the court.

As a federal appeals court judge, Sotomayor was part of a panel that ruled this year that the Second Amendment doesn't limit state controls on guns — only federal ones. That was in keeping with a 19th Century Supreme Court precedent and subsequent appellate court rulings.

"The simple fact is that as far as this nominee is concerned, she has a track record on Second Amendment issues, and it's one that is of great concern to us," said Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman. "We wanted to give the nominee a chance to respond, but after four days of testimony, none of the concerns we had about Judge Sotomayor were dispelled — in fact, based on some of her responses, our concerns increased."

But by the time the NRA announced it would score her confirmation vote, several senators it rates highly had already come out in Sotomayor's favor, including Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Democratic Sens. Tim Johnson of South Dakota and Mark Warner of Virginia.

In the days since, other senators have inquired privately as to how much they could hurt themselves by supporting Sotomayor, only to be given an ambiguous answer: It's too early to tell.

GMZ · 08-01-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Added to my collection a few days ago:

HK USP .45 Compact w/ LEM trigger
Holds 8+1. I've got all my .45 cal pistols loaded with Speer Gold Dot +P 200gr. now. I intend to use this as one of my regular carry pistols.

I carry one of those too

tvfreakazoid · 08-06-2009, 05:09 AM

I just got my pof upper for $1275 shipped. Hopefully I will get it sometime in the next 2 wks.

grahfz · 08-07-2009, 12:15 AM

just added another one.
Kimber Ultra Carry II
3" 1911

Pushing_Tin · 08-07-2009, 12:31 AM

^^^^ Ohhhhhhh Kimber....NICE! What did that cost you?

grahfz · 08-07-2009, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin

^^^^ Ohhhhhhh Kimber....NICE! What did that cost you?

a girlfriend?

just kidding, she loves gunses too.

robin · 08-09-2009, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

Just wondering if anyone in this forum into firearms. I'm looking to build a AR15 and just wondering if anyone has a ar.

cool! nope i am not into it..

semtex · 08-09-2009, 02:37 PM

Added two more to the collection yesterday. First I bought a Ruger LCP to be my dedicated car gun (i.e., this one will just stay in the center console):

I've also had my eye on this one for while (Kimber Ultra Covert II), so figured what the hell, not that I really need more 1911's in my collection.

It's been a productive weekend!

Btw, is anyone else frustrated by the lack of convenient space for storing a handgun in the 370Z? The center console in the 350Z was huge compared to the 370's. I could pretty much put whatever full-sized pistol I wanted in my 350. But the console is so tiny in the 370, that I find my options pretty limited. I could keep a larger gun in the glove box, but I don't want to have to reach over for it in the event of an emergency.

grahfz · 08-10-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

not that I really need more 1911's in my collection.

BLASPHEMY!!

So you went to the show? Only thing that caught my interest there was 500 rounds of 45.. shot ~150 on saturday

I keep my mod 36 tucked between the seat controls and the center console.
I've found that larger revolvers fit in the door cubby ok. And I carry my ultra in an IWB around my front.

08-10-2009, 03:35 AM

Whats the diff btwn LCP and LCR?

robin · 08-10-2009, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Added two more to the collection yesterday. First I bought a Ruger LCP to be my dedicated car gun (i.e., this one will just stay in the center console):

I've also had my eye on this one for while (Kimber Ultra Covert II), so figured what the hell, not that I really need more 1911's in my collection.

It's been a productive weekend!

Btw, is anyone else frustrated by the lack of convenient space for storing a handgun in the 370Z? The center console in the 350Z was huge compared to the 370's. I could pretty much put whatever full-sized pistol I wanted in my 350. But the console is so tiny in the 370, that I find my options pretty limited. I could keep a larger gun in the glove box, but I don't want to have to reach over for it in the event of an emergency.

great! pretty cool pieces you've got there!

semtex · 08-10-2009, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by blue660r01

Whats the diff btwn LCP and LCR?

One's a .380 auto pistol (LCP), and the other is a .38 +P revolver (LCR).

08-01-2009, 05:43 PM	#124 (permalink)
dad Grand Prix of Endurance Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tennessee Posts: 3,476 Drives: Mulsanne Straight Rep Power: 26	NRA falls short in bid to block Sotomayor WASHINGTON – The National Rifle Association's threat to punish senators who vote for Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor has been met with a shrug by Democrats from conservative-leaning states and some Republicans who are breaking with their party to support her. The gun rights group is used to getting its way by spooking lawmakers about the political consequences of defying its wishes. But it never before has weighed in on a Supreme Court confirmation battle. It was cautious about breaking that pattern, and it looks like a losing a fight to defeat President Barack Obama's first pick for the court. Sotomayor is expected to easily win confirmation in a vote this coming week that could deflate the long-accepted truism in Washington that you don't cross the NRA. Voting "yes" will include A-plus-rated and NRA-endorsed Democratic Sen. Max Baucus and his fellow Montanan, A-rated Sen. Jon Tester, as well as A-rated and NRA-endorsed Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander, the only GOP leader to break with the rest of this party to back Sotomayor. That's not to say that the NRA's late decision to wade in hasn't had an impact. Many Republicans who were considered possible "yes" votes for Sotomayor — including Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, Georgia Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson, and Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison — have come out against her after the NRA's announcement, citing gun rights concerns as an important reason. Some Democrats who have high NRA ratings, including Alaska Sen. Mark Begich and Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson, are on the fence. Still, the NRA's threats seem to hold less potency on this vote. Asked whether he was worried about ruining his perfect NRA score and endorsement by opting to vote for Sotomayor, Nelson paused and said with a smile, "I'd probably have a good rating regardless." The NRA derives much of its considerable clout from what has become a kind of mantra on Capitol Hill: Defy the gun lobby on something it cares about and face recriminations at the polls; back it and enjoy a substantial political boost. It's something of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Lawmakers generally are terrified to test it, and the NRA is politically savvy about which issues it takes on. Its won-loss record adds to its reputation as untouchable. So why would the gun lobby risk undercutting its clout by stepping into this Supreme Court debate? GOP leaders, particularly Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Senate's top Republican, helped forced the group's hand. At the conclusion of the Senate Judiciary Committee's confirmation hearing for Sotomayor two weeks ago, the NRA came out in opposition to her, calling her "hostile" to the Second Amendment right to bear arms. But it stopped short of saying it would include the vote on her confirmation in its political ratings. In a later meeting on Capitol Hill with Republican senators and conservative activists, McConnell asked if the group planned to "score" the confirmation vote. The NRA was noncommittal. Accounts of the meeting vary, and McConnell's aides deny that he leaned on the NRA to rate the Sotomayor vote. But others present or briefed later on the session said it was clear that McConnell and other leaders wanted the NRA's scorekeeping. "The Republican leadership reminded them that if they don't care about judges, they should," said Curt Levey of the conservative Committee for Justice. "For 130 years, the NRA could be effective by focusing on legislation, but now, after last year's Supreme Court decision in Heller, this issue is in the courts — pretty much like abortion was after Roe v. Wade." In the Heller case, the Supreme Court last year struck down the District of Columbia's handgun ban and held that individuals have a constitutional right to guns. But it was a narrow ruling that the court didn't apply to states' controls on guns. The NRA says it sat on the fence for so long on Sotomayor because its leaders wanted to give her the opportunity to reassure gun rights supporters during her confirmation hearings about her views on the issue. In her testimony, Sotomayor declined to call gun rights "fundamental" — meaning that they apply to states as well as the federal government — although she said she'd have an open mind on the issue if it came before the court. As a federal appeals court judge, Sotomayor was part of a panel that ruled this year that the Second Amendment doesn't limit state controls on guns — only federal ones. That was in keeping with a 19th Century Supreme Court precedent and subsequent appellate court rulings. "The simple fact is that as far as this nominee is concerned, she has a track record on Second Amendment issues, and it's one that is of great concern to us," said Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman. "We wanted to give the nominee a chance to respond, but after four days of testimony, none of the concerns we had about Judge Sotomayor were dispelled — in fact, based on some of her responses, our concerns increased." But by the time the NRA announced it would score her confirmation vote, several senators it rates highly had already come out in Sotomayor's favor, including Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Democratic Sens. Tim Johnson of South Dakota and Mark Warner of Virginia. In the days since, other senators have inquired privately as to how much they could hurt themselves by supporting Sotomayor, only to be given an ambiguous answer: It's too early to tell. __________________ We can do without any article of luxury we have never had; but once obtained, it is not in human nature to surrender it voluntary.

08-06-2009, 05:09 AM	#126 (permalink)
tvfreakazoid A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: kommie kali Posts: 1,238 Drives: 2015 Audi S5; 6spd. Rep Power: 10324	I just got my pof upper for $1275 shipped. Hopefully I will get it sometime in the next 2 wks. __________________ Mudders milk

08-09-2009, 02:37 PM	#131 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	Added two more to the collection yesterday. First I bought a Ruger LCP to be my dedicated car gun (i.e., this one will just stay in the center console): I've also had my eye on this one for while (Kimber Ultra Covert II), so figured what the hell, not that I really need more 1911's in my collection. It's been a productive weekend! Btw, is anyone else frustrated by the lack of convenient space for storing a handgun in the 370Z? The center console in the 350Z was huge compared to the 370's. I could pretty much put whatever full-sized pistol I wanted in my 350. But the console is so tiny in the 370, that I find my options pretty limited. I could keep a larger gun in the glove box, but I don't want to have to reach over for it in the event of an emergency. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

08-07-2009, 12:15 AM	#127 (permalink)
grahfz Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: atlanta Posts: 93 Drives: Touring/6/nav/sport Rep Power: 16	just added another one. Kimber Ultra Carry II 3" 1911

08-07-2009, 12:31 AM	#128 (permalink)
Pushing_Tin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 2,875 Drives: E63 AMG Rep Power: 228	^^^^ Ohhhhhhh Kimber....NICE! What did that cost you?

08-10-2009, 03:35 AM	#133 (permalink)
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