Anyone here into firearms?

tvfreakazoid · 09-13-2011, 04:30 AM

This will be my first .22lr and i've been thinking a lot about getting one. It seems fun to plink all day

I have a piston ar15 (pof). I noticed that its only for use for DI ar's but on cmmg website it states that i can just remove the piston parts which isn't a problem.
DIRECT QUOTE from CMMG's website:
("Note: For Direct Gas Impingement AR-15's. Not compatible with Gas Piston Systems without removing the piston. Only for use in 5.56 NATO chambered AR-15 rifles.")

So my question is what are the pros and cons for buying the conversion kit instead of a full complete upper other than the cost savings?

Will my rifle get more dirty (I assume it would if it gets really dirty i may opt for the complete upper)? Will it be less accurate compared to a regular dedicated upper .22lr because of the twist rate?

Shortened the barrels life (if you shot a lot of .22lr and 5.56 ammo) and may add up cause it's so cheap to shot .22's.

I was thinking of getting a full upper cause i already have spikes ar15 lower and a trigger system already and i would need is a butt stock and maybe few other accessories.

If i chose to go with the complete upper instead of the kit, cmmg has upgrades to the upper. Can you guys explain some of these upgrades and if it's needed? well i don't care for the handguard upgrade. But not sure what some of these other upgrades mean and if it's a good idea to get them or waste of money which im not trying to spend a whole lot. But if it's a good idea i will get it.

Also is this upper the new evolution or the upgraded version from the previous upper?

Bolt Upgrade
Upper Receiver Upgrade
Collar Upgrade
Handguard Upgrade
Rifle Kit Upgrade
Bolt Hold Open Actuator Upgrade

Here's a direct link of the upper upgrades CMMG complete upper

Can you guys suggest any other decent .22lr uppers other than cmmg? I was looking into chiappa barrels .22lr but one guy said that it has a fake forward assist and fake flash hider. Not sure about the quality of this company. But it's pretty cheap (under $300 for an upper).

Any suggestions and advise would be great cause i'm pretty serious of getting one.

Thanks.

MacCool · 09-13-2011, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

This will be my first .22lr and i've been thinking a lot about getting one. It seems fun to plink all day

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I'm a believer in purpose-built weapons, so I didn't want to screw around with conversions. .22 conversions can be problematic under the best of circumstances and I suspect that such a conversion on a piston upper will only be more so...sort of a double compromise in intended function. While some conversion kits work more reliably than others, many or most of them are kind of a kludge with a series of workarounds that represent compromises in design and function. Besides, if I spot a critter out in the yard that I need to shoot (muskrats come to mind), I didn't want to grab a rifle and then have to convert it on the spot to a .22 so I don't have any 5.56 rounds flying around the neighborhood or across the lake. My approach was to just buy a dedicated .22 in AR style. IMHO, state of the art there are the Colt .22's at Colt .22 Tactical Rimfire | M4 & M16 Rimfire Rifles | Powerful & Cost Efficient. They're made by Walther and are very well-made. Although they definitely prefer the higher-velocity rimfire ammo, mine has been very reliable and very accurate.

frost · 09-03-2011, 07:15 PM

Now which one would you have purchased?

m4a1mustang · 09-03-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by frost

Now which one would you have purchased?

To be honest I'd be tempted to try the Kel-Tec PF9 for $299. It just felt nice in hand and was a good size for a compact single-stack.

The Ruger is a fine gun, though. I know a lot of people (myself included) have knocked it for the safeties, but if you're used to thumb safeties then it really is no big deal. The huge loaded chamber indicator is slightly annoying (I think it encourages people not to manually check the chamber as well), but overall it's a very well built gun with good ergonomics. Very concealable. The DAO trigger is also very nice. It's long, but very smooth with a clean break.

I think if I go after a pocketable 9mm myself I am going to go for the Kahr CM9. I love the Kahr triggers. But I do understand they are very tight and require a good break in (haha).

frost · 09-03-2011, 07:53 PM

Interesting. I sure haven't read a lot of good things about the PF9. Amongst the quality problems, I have read that it has a trigger that rivals those hang grip trainers.

m4a1mustang · 09-03-2011, 08:08 PM

Yeah, same here. I was surprised that it felt as good as it did in hand.

The trigger seemed OK. Ruger's is better. The trigger guard is also too small on the Kel-tec. I would be interested to try it out, though. I'd get one "just because." If it works well, w00t, another toy for only $299.

m4a1mustang · 09-04-2011, 05:37 PM

Took the LC9 to the range today. 300 rounds of Federal Champion and 14 rounds of Speer GD 124gr +p later and no malfunctions, even limp wristing it. The only issue was I only got to shoot it for maybe 50 rounds... she had the rest.

It's a very snappy little thing. The checkering on the front of the grip hurts after a while, so we ordered a Hogue slip on for it to see how that feels.

m4a1mustang · 09-06-2011, 09:46 PM

So, this thread has sort of died off a bit... new topic...

What is your carry ammo?

My G26 likes Speer Gold Dot 124gr +p JHP. Super reliable and accurate round for me.

dad · 09-06-2011, 10:23 PM

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wstar · 09-07-2011, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

What is your carry ammo?

My G26 likes Speer Gold Dot 124gr +p JHP. Super reliable and accurate round for me.

I use Winchester RA9TA (127 +P+) in my G26, and RA9T (the 147gr std pressure version) in my longer-barrel 9mm glocks. Gold Dot is an awesome choice too though, and it's what I'd use if my supply of the above ran out and I couldn't find more to buy.

ImportConvert · 09-09-2011, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

So, this thread has sort of died off a bit... new topic...

What is your carry ammo?

My G26 likes Speer Gold Dot 124gr +p JHP. Super reliable and accurate round for me.

127gr +P+ Ranger T-Series.

wstar · 09-09-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

127gr +P+ Ranger T-Series.

That's the "RA9TA" model number I quoted above, FYI.

m4a1mustang · 09-07-2011, 09:54 PM

Thanks Paul

m4a1mustang · 09-07-2011, 10:50 PM

If I couldn't find any more Gold Dots I'd really want to give those RA9TAs or Federal HSTs a try. They look really interesting.

09-13-2011, 04:30 AM	#1 (permalink)
tvfreakazoid A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: kommie kali Posts: 1,238 Drives: 2015 Audi S5; 6spd. Rep Power: 10325	Looking to buy a .22LR AR style This will be my first .22lr and i've been thinking a lot about getting one. It seems fun to plink all day I have a piston ar15 (pof). I noticed that its only for use for DI ar's but on cmmg website it states that i can just remove the piston parts which isn't a problem. DIRECT QUOTE from CMMG's website: ("Note: For Direct Gas Impingement AR-15's. Not compatible with Gas Piston Systems without removing the piston. Only for use in 5.56 NATO chambered AR-15 rifles.") So my question is what are the pros and cons for buying the conversion kit instead of a full complete upper other than the cost savings? Will my rifle get more dirty (I assume it would if it gets really dirty i may opt for the complete upper)? Will it be less accurate compared to a regular dedicated upper .22lr because of the twist rate? Shortened the barrels life (if you shot a lot of .22lr and 5.56 ammo) and may add up cause it's so cheap to shot .22's. I was thinking of getting a full upper cause i already have spikes ar15 lower and a trigger system already and i would need is a butt stock and maybe few other accessories. If i chose to go with the complete upper instead of the kit, cmmg has upgrades to the upper. Can you guys explain some of these upgrades and if it's needed? well i don't care for the handguard upgrade. But not sure what some of these other upgrades mean and if it's a good idea to get them or waste of money which im not trying to spend a whole lot. But if it's a good idea i will get it. Also is this upper the new evolution or the upgraded version from the previous upper? Bolt Upgrade Upper Receiver Upgrade Collar Upgrade Handguard Upgrade Rifle Kit Upgrade Bolt Hold Open Actuator Upgrade Here's a direct link of the upper upgrades CMMG complete upper Can you guys suggest any other decent .22lr uppers other than cmmg? I was looking into chiappa barrels .22lr but one guy said that it has a fake forward assist and fake flash hider. Not sure about the quality of this company. But it's pretty cheap (under $300 for an upper). Any suggestions and advise would be great cause i'm pretty serious of getting one. Thanks. __________________ Mudders milk

09-03-2011, 08:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Yeah, same here. I was surprised that it felt as good as it did in hand. The trigger seemed OK. Ruger's is better. The trigger guard is also too small on the Kel-tec. I would be interested to try it out, though. I'd get one "just because." If it works well, w00t, another toy for only $299. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook! Last edited by m4a1mustang; 09-03-2011 at 08:12 PM.

09-04-2011, 05:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Took the LC9 to the range today. 300 rounds of Federal Champion and 14 rounds of Speer GD 124gr +p later and no malfunctions, even limp wristing it. The only issue was I only got to shoot it for maybe 50 rounds... she had the rest. It's a very snappy little thing. The checkering on the front of the grip hurts after a while, so we ordered a Hogue slip on for it to see how that feels. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

09-06-2011, 09:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	So, this thread has sort of died off a bit... new topic... What is your carry ammo? My G26 likes Speer Gold Dot 124gr +p JHP. Super reliable and accurate round for me. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	If I couldn't find any more Gold Dots I'd really want to give those RA9TAs or Federal HSTs a try. They look really interesting. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!