Anyone here into firearms?

wstar · 07-22-2009, 01:30 PM

Too bad Bloomberg doesn't know the facts (re safety), but regardless, this should be passed, as it is just like the driver's license issue. Yes, driver's license reciprocity means that any state allows drivers from states with the most lax driving tests to drive. Most states don't really even have driving tests beyond what you do at age 16 when you first get your license anyways, and cars kill far more people than handguns in this country.

If they're really concerned about training standards for concealed carry reciprocity, they could simply add a measure to the bill stating minimum federal requirements for the concealed handgun standards and training in order to participate in the reciprocity.

Many concealed-carry states have already independently signed reciprocity agreements with each other anyways, just not all of them, and it's a huge, slow, bureaucratic mess getting every state to individually sign off with every other one.

What New York (and similar states, the very few of them there are) are more concerned about is that their version of concealed carry licensing is prohibitively restrictive. They generally don't issue them to anyone who isn't a judge, cop, ex-cop, or famous person, whereas states like TX are required by law to issue a license to anyone who meets all the basic requirements (which generally amount to not being a criminal or insane, taking some classroom instruction on gun safety issues, threat escalation, and criminal psychology, and passing a shooting proficiency test). So they don't want people bypassing their restrictive issuance of licenses by just going and getting licensed in another, more lenient state.

Again, this is easily remedied by amending the bill to only apply to states with "shall issue" -style carry licensing (meaning it's not up to the whim of a random person in power whether you get licensed or not, like NY is).

Still, we almost got it passed, only missed it by two votes. Fix one or both of those issues and get it through already, lazy-*** congress-critters.

07-22-2009, 01:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	Too bad Bloomberg doesn't know the facts (re safety), but regardless, this should be passed, as it is just like the driver's license issue. Yes, driver's license reciprocity means that any state allows drivers from states with the most lax driving tests to drive. Most states don't really even have driving tests beyond what you do at age 16 when you first get your license anyways, and cars kill far more people than handguns in this country. If they're really concerned about training standards for concealed carry reciprocity, they could simply add a measure to the bill stating minimum federal requirements for the concealed handgun standards and training in order to participate in the reciprocity. Many concealed-carry states have already independently signed reciprocity agreements with each other anyways, just not all of them, and it's a huge, slow, bureaucratic mess getting every state to individually sign off with every other one. What New York (and similar states, the very few of them there are) are more concerned about is that their version of concealed carry licensing is prohibitively restrictive. They generally don't issue them to anyone who isn't a judge, cop, ex-cop, or famous person, whereas states like TX are required by law to issue a license to anyone who meets all the basic requirements (which generally amount to not being a criminal or insane, taking some classroom instruction on gun safety issues, threat escalation, and criminal psychology, and passing a shooting proficiency test). So they don't want people bypassing their restrictive issuance of licenses by just going and getting licensed in another, more lenient state. Again, this is easily remedied by amending the bill to only apply to states with "shall issue" -style carry licensing (meaning it's not up to the whim of a random person in power whether you get licensed or not, like NY is). Still, we almost got it passed, only missed it by two votes. Fix one or both of those issues and get it through already, lazy-*** congress-critters. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details