Anyone here into firearms?

tvfreakazoid · 04-27-2011, 04:13 AM

Is the AA12 strictly for military or can civilians buy one?

Isamu · 04-27-2011, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

Is the AA12 strictly for military or can civilians buy one?

Im pretty sure you need a tax stamp to own one... or a class III...
I know you can't just walk into a store, and say, "I want an AA12 please"

that would be too awesome

MacCool · 05-02-2011, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

Im pretty sure you need a tax stamp to own one... or a class III...
I know you can't just walk into a store, and say, "I want an AA12 please"

that would be too awesome

You would either need to have a Class III Federal Firearms License and own the weapon as a "demonstrator", or you'd have to be a cop and it would be owned by your department. Other private citizens can't own any fully automatic weapon manufactured after May of 1986.

Isamu · 05-02-2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

You would either need to have a Class III Federal Firearms License and own the weapon as a "demonstrator", or you'd have to be a cop and it would be owned by your department. Other private citizens can't own any fully automatic weapon manufactured after May of 1986.

exactly...you got the gist of what i meant. i was tired.. I apologize

KillerBee370 · 05-02-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

You would either need to have a Class III Federal Firearms License and own the weapon as a "demonstrator", or you'd have to be a cop and it would be owned by your department. Other private citizens can't own any fully automatic weapon manufactured after May of 1986.

So as long as it's manufactured prior to 1986 I can own one? As in purchase it so long as it was manufactured before then?

Or would I have to own it pre-ban?

Isamu · 05-03-2011, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

So as long as it's manufactured prior to 1986 I can own one? As in purchase it so long as it was manufactured before then?

Or would I have to own it pre-ban?

no, you have to own a weapon manufactured... that's why with a tax stamp(atleast in AZ and ND) you can own a fully auto AR. the lower reciever has to have been built pre-86

wstar · 05-03-2011, 08:43 AM

Technically it's not that it had to be manufactured before the date (which is May 19, 1986). It's that it had to be in the NFA registry before that date. Someone, somewhere, had to get an NFA tax stamp legally on the weapon in question before that date, but afterwards the gun can be bought and sold (you do have to update the info in the NFA registry as to who owns it currently). If the weapon was mfg'd before the date but not registered in the NFA registry, you can't ever buy it as a normal civilian.

As noted in another post, for full autos not already in the NFA registry, you have to be a Class III dealer (getting this license generally requires proving you have LE/mil sales contracts, and keeping up that proof), a manufacturer (who obviously can test their own guns), or obviously be issued one by a government entity for duty use.

The net effect for us "regular" civilians is that there is a finite, limited pool of full autos that were on the NFA books prior to 1986, and those are the only ones we can buy/sell/trade between each other. Over time the pool dwindles as guns fall apart, get destroyed, or get "lost" (someone dies and forgets to mention their NFA collection buried in some box in some basement...).

This tight supply problem makes these guns very expensive. A registered Colt M4 that should by all rights be worth about $1,000 ends up selling for ~$12K+, etc. You can see some prices at the NFA section on subguns.com. Note when you see cheap prices there, usually you'll click into the item and see it's a dealer sample only (requires Class III license, not for normal folk).

KillerBee370 · 05-07-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Technically it's not that it had to be manufactured before the date (which is May 19, 1986). It's that it had to be in the NFA registry before that date. Someone, somewhere, had to get an NFA tax stamp legally on the weapon in question before that date, but afterwards the gun can be bought and sold (you do have to update the info in the NFA registry as to who owns it currently). If the weapon was mfg'd before the date but not registered in the NFA registry, you can't ever buy it as a normal civilian.

As noted in another post, for full autos not already in the NFA registry, you have to be a Class III dealer (getting this license generally requires proving you have LE/mil sales contracts, and keeping up that proof), a manufacturer (who obviously can test their own guns), or obviously be issued one by a government entity for duty use.

The net effect for us "regular" civilians is that there is a finite, limited pool of full autos that were on the NFA books prior to 1986, and those are the only ones we can buy/sell/trade between each other. Over time the pool dwindles as guns fall apart, get destroyed, or get "lost" (someone dies and forgets to mention their NFA collection buried in some box in some basement...).

This tight supply problem makes these guns very expensive. A registered Colt M4 that should by all rights be worth about $1,000 ends up selling for ~$12K+, etc. You can see some prices at the NFA section on subguns.com. Note when you see cheap prices there, usually you'll click into the item and see it's a dealer sample only (requires Class III license, not for normal folk).

Providing you a well deserved rep for this knowledge when I get back to my comp (for some reason my iPhone won't let me)

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wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	Technically it's not that it had to be manufactured before the date (which is May 19, 1986). It's that it had to be in the NFA registry before that date. Someone, somewhere, had to get an NFA tax stamp legally on the weapon in question before that date, but afterwards the gun can be bought and sold (you do have to update the info in the NFA registry as to who owns it currently). If the weapon was mfg'd before the date but not registered in the NFA registry, you can't ever buy it as a normal civilian. As noted in another post, for full autos not already in the NFA registry, you have to be a Class III dealer (getting this license generally requires proving you have LE/mil sales contracts, and keeping up that proof), a manufacturer (who obviously can test their own guns), or obviously be issued one by a government entity for duty use. The net effect for us "regular" civilians is that there is a finite, limited pool of full autos that were on the NFA books prior to 1986, and those are the only ones we can buy/sell/trade between each other. Over time the pool dwindles as guns fall apart, get destroyed, or get "lost" (someone dies and forgets to mention their NFA collection buried in some box in some basement...). This tight supply problem makes these guns very expensive. A registered Colt M4 that should by all rights be worth about $1,000 ends up selling for ~$12K+, etc. You can see some prices at the NFA section on subguns.com. Note when you see cheap prices there, usually you'll click into the item and see it's a dealer sample only (requires Class III license, not for normal folk). __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

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