Anyone here into firearms?

dad · 07-08-2011, 06:43 PM

Never heard of Ron Cohen, and Kimber's unless you go to L.A., are non existent around here.

SgtGoldy · 07-09-2011, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

just watched this... all I have to say... AMAZING lol

tvfreakazoid · 07-09-2011, 05:28 AM

What is your choice of brand?

I was looking to getting a springfield XD or possible an XDm.

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Originally Posted by MacCool

If only those firearms purchasing decisions were being made by the actual end-users and armorers according to maintenance requirements and reliability instead of by the bean counters more concerned about their department's budget. Firearms purchases by law enforcement organizations is always low-bid. Performance and reliability takes a back seat. Glock in particular has moved away from their previously aggressive department pricing. Sig is desperate to get into the market. Looks like they dropped their prices but maintained their margins by cutting quality. Their current problems with quality control since Ron Cohen took over as CEO are well-known.

Ron Cohen was the CEO at Kimber before SigArms hired him, if that tells you anything.

MacCool · 07-09-2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

What is your choice of brand?

I was looking to getting a springfield XD or possible an XDm.

Personally, I use a Sig P229 .40 cal. It's a German model I bought it 1996. It is a fantastic pistol. It has probably about 15,000 round through it. Virtually no wear on any of the mating surfaces. All I've ever had to do to it is replace a few springs. The newer Sigs, while the same form factor, have some serious quality and design problems. Grips and grip screws are a nightmare, weak or failure-prone recoil springs, hammer failures, excessive slide wear, broken extractors, broken trigger bars, crappy magazines....this stuff all related to me by a buddy who's a Sig armorer for the Sheriff's department. They recently went back to issuing Glocks because it was getting to be a hassle keeping Sig replacement parts on hand.

For a game gun, I use a S&W M&P 9L. It's an OK pistol. I replaced the sear and striker along with a reset-assist device and that took that trigger from "marginal" to "really excellent". It's been reliable for me...I can't think of any failures. I use it in 9mm because that ammo is cheap and low recoil. It's been a good competition pistol for me and I like the 23 round magazines. Having said that, I don't think I'd use the M&P as a carry-weapon or duty-weapon.

If my P229 exploded tomorrow, I'd replace it in .40 with an H&K P30. If I couldn't get the P30, I would reluctantly get a Glock 23. "Reluctant" only because I find the Glocks to be ugly, uninspired weapons. From a standpoint of reliability and accuracy, they are excellent and I wouldn't hesitate to trust my life to one.

As to the XD/XDm, my business partner has an XDm and he really likes it a lot. AFAIK, it's been reliable for him. He's had some trouble finding holsters that work well with it, but otherwise he's had no complaints. We both have a firearms course coming up on the 21st, and then a two day 1000-round course with Louis Awerbuck in August. Those two events ought to represent a good opportunity to find any weak spots that particular pistol. As I mentioned earlier, the XDs are generally regarded as only being "OK" among the people I shoot a lot with. I will say that one reason I see for any scorn the XD's might get appears to be more related to the way they are so often pushed by gun store owners. They have a higher margin in the XDs for some reason and they are readily available, so they get blindly pushed without regard for any drawback they might have. As a group, gun shop owners are probably one of the single worst sources of good advice on firearms. When they start pushing a brand as intensely as they tend to push the XD's, knowledgeable firearms enthusiasts become very suspicious.

SgtGoldy · 07-09-2011, 11:45 AM

I've always been a Glock & Colt fan... Also I've been eye balling the Kimber SIS

I've heard bad, and good. Wouldn't be a carry gun, just my fun gun.

dad · 07-11-2011, 07:57 PM

US requires gun shops in 4 Southwest border states to report on buyers of high-powered rifles - The Washington Post

tvfreakazoid · 07-12-2011, 05:26 AM

Hey thanks for the info.
I read a lot of people loving the glocks. My one big issues with glocks is like you said UGLY, uninspiring and more. I mean come on who is designing the pistol. Some old fart. I get it that they are good and reliable but does it have to be soOoooooo boring!

I may get a boring glock because of it's reliability, but i like the way the xdms look. There suppose to be the better version of the reg. xds.

I have to agree with you when a dealer tries hard to push a certain brand.

Please let us know how the firearms course goes. I really would like to know how the XDm performs.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by MacCool

Personally, I use a Sig P229 .40 cal. It's a German model I bought it 1996. It is a fantastic pistol. It has probably about 15,000 round through it. Virtually no wear on any of the mating surfaces. All I've ever had to do to it is replace a few springs. The newer Sigs, while the same form factor, have some serious quality and design problems. Grips and grip screws are a nightmare, weak or failure-prone recoil springs, hammer failures, excessive slide wear, broken extractors, broken trigger bars, crappy magazines....this stuff all related to me by a buddy who's a Sig armorer for the Sheriff's department. They recently went back to issuing Glocks because it was getting to be a hassle keeping Sig replacement parts on hand.

For a game gun, I use a S&W M&P 9L. It's an OK pistol. I replaced the sear and striker along with a reset-assist device and that took that trigger from "marginal" to "really excellent". It's been reliable for me...I can't think of any failures. I use it in 9mm because that ammo is cheap and low recoil. It's been a good competition pistol for me and I like the 23 round magazines. Having said that, I don't think I'd use the M&P as a carry-weapon or duty-weapon.

If my P229 exploded tomorrow, I'd replace it in .40 with an H&K P30. If I couldn't get the P30, I would reluctantly get a Glock 23. "Reluctant" only because I find the Glocks to be ugly, uninspired weapons. From a standpoint of reliability and accuracy, they are excellent and I wouldn't hesitate to trust my life to one.

As to the XD/XDm, my business partner has an XDm and he really likes it a lot. AFAIK, it's been reliable for him. He's had some trouble finding holsters that work well with it, but otherwise he's had no complaints. We both have a firearms course coming up on the 21st, and then a two day 1000-round course with Louis Awerbuck in August. Those two events ought to represent a good opportunity to find any weak spots that particular pistol. As I mentioned earlier, the XDs are generally regarded as only being "OK" among the people I shoot a lot with. I will say that one reason I see for any scorn the XD's might get appears to be more related to the way they are so often pushed by gun store owners. They have a higher margin in the XDs for some reason and they are readily available, so they get blindly pushed without regard for any drawback they might have. As a group, gun shop owners are probably one of the single worst sources of good advice on firearms. When they start pushing a brand as intensely as they tend to push the XD's, knowledgeable firearms enthusiasts become very suspicious.

m4a1mustang · 07-12-2011, 08:22 AM

I feel like the "ugly" look of the Glock is one of it's best features. It's not designed to be a pretty gun though I think the Compacts and Subcompacts look good in their own special way... the full-size G17 reminds me of a duck for some reason. It's just designed to go bang ever time and never make a fuss about it. It's a tool, not a work of art.

ImportConvert · 07-15-2011, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I feel like the "ugly" look of the Glock is one of it's best features. It's not designed to be a pretty gun though I think the Compacts and Subcompacts look good in their own special way... the full-size G17 reminds me of a duck for some reason. It's just designed to go bang ever time and never make a fuss about it. It's a tool, not a work of art.

Love my Glocks. I have had custom 1911's, HK's, SIGs, and all sorts of stuff fail to go bang. Never a Glock.

m4a1mustang · 07-15-2011, 09:11 AM

I had one FTF in my G26 at the range last weekend but it was a defective shell on the Remington UMC ammo I was using. Reminded me I always need to inspect each bullet closely when I load up with my carry ammo.

SgtGoldy · 07-16-2011, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I had one FTF in my G26 at the range last weekend but it was a defective shell on the Remington UMC ammo I was using. Reminded me I always need to inspect each bullet closely when I load up with my carry ammo.

Speaking of ammo, I started strongly considering reloading. Just bought 500rds of Federal .45acp. $203.00 later, I thought "screw this, Ima reload these".

Isamu · 07-16-2011, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SgtGoldy

Speaking of ammo, I started strongly considering reloading. Just bought 500rds of Federal .45acp. $203.00 later, I thought "screw this, Ima reload these".

you know, when I was in Africa, the little kids, would come police our brass... and resell it to someone local... we were told not to pick up the brass.. lol

frost · 07-16-2011, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SgtGoldy

Speaking of ammo, I started strongly considering reloading. Just bought 500rds of Federal .45acp. $203.00 later, I thought "screw this, Ima reload these".

We were told to stop shooting at "shooters world" today for our reloads having too much smoke

Fuckin indoor ranges.

frost · 07-16-2011, 08:46 PM

So, has anyone shot with their non-dominant hand? If so, I have a quick question, do you continue to use your dominant eye, or do you switch to your non-dominant eye along with your hand? Or are there any other tips you have for shooting with non-dominant hand?

I only ask because I obtained my NRA/Winchester marksman and pro-marksman, and the next step is marksman first class, which requires shooting with non-dominant hand.

Baer383 · 07-16-2011, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by frost

So, has anyone shot with their non-dominant hand? If so, I have a quick question, do you continue to use your dominant eye, or do you switch to your non-dominant eye along with your hand? Or are there any other tips you have for shooting with non-dominant hand?

I only ask because I obtained my NRA/Winchester marksman and pro-marksman, and the next step is marksman first class, which requires shooting with non-dominant hand.

I use the same eye whether left or right handed.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I feel like the "ugly" look of the Glock is one of it's best features. It's not designed to be a pretty gun though I think the Compacts and Subcompacts look good in their own special way... the full-size G17 reminds me of a duck for some reason. It's just designed to go bang ever time and never make a fuss about it. It's a tool, not a work of art. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

07-15-2011, 09:11 AM	#1285 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I had one FTF in my G26 at the range last weekend but it was a defective shell on the Remington UMC ammo I was using. Reminded me I always need to inspect each bullet closely when I load up with my carry ammo. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	So, has anyone shot with their non-dominant hand? If so, I have a quick question, do you continue to use your dominant eye, or do you switch to your non-dominant eye along with your hand? Or are there any other tips you have for shooting with non-dominant hand? I only ask because I obtained my NRA/Winchester marksman and pro-marksman, and the next step is marksman first class, which requires shooting with non-dominant hand.