Anyone here into firearms?

MacCool · 05-15-2011, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

For the zombies.

Absolutely

370zproject · 05-15-2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

Absolutely

semtex · 05-16-2011, 07:55 PM

Philly Police Harass, Threaten to Shoot Man Legally Carrying Gun - Stossel's Take Blog - FOXBusiness.com

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A story in today's Philadelphia Daily News shows why it's so important that citizens be allowed to videotape cops - it can be citizens' only way to fight back against police abuse of power.

This incident happened several weeks ago in Philadelphia to Mark Fiorino, a 25-year-old IT worker who carries a gun on his hip at all times for self defense. He got the gun after several friends were mugged.

But he didn't count on attacks by police:

On a mild February afternoon, Fiorino, 25, decided to walk to an AutoZone on Frankford Avenue in Northeast Philly with the .40-caliber Glock he legally owns holstered in plain view on his left hip. His stroll ended when someone called out from behind: "Yo, Junior, what are you doing?"

Fiorino wheeled and saw Sgt. Michael Dougherty aiming a handgun at him.

What happened next would be hard to believe, except that Fiorino audio-recorded all of it: a tense, profanity-laced, 40-minute encounter with cops who told him that what he was doing - openly carrying a gun on the city's streets - was against the law.

"Do you know you can't openly carry here in Philadelphia?" Dougherty asked, according to the YouTube clip.

"Yes, you can, if you have a license to carry firearms," Fiorino said. "It's Directive 137. It's your own internal directive."

Fiorino was right. It was perfectly legal to carry the gun. But that didn't matter to the cop:

Fiorino offered to show Dougherty his driver's and firearms licenses. The cop told him to get on his knees.

"Excuse me?" Fiorino said.

"Get down on your knees. Just obey what I'm saying," Dougherty said.

"Sir," Fiorino replied, "I'm more than happy to stand here -"

"If you make a move, I'm going to f------ shoot you," Dougherty snapped. "I'm telling you right now, you make a move, and you're going down!"

"Is this necessary?" Fiorino said.

It went on like that for a little while, until other officers responded to Dougherty's calls for backup.

Fiorino was forced to the ground and shouted at as he tried to explain that he had a firearms license and was legally allowed to openly carry his weapon.

"You f------ come here looking for f------ problems? Where do you live?" yelled one officer.

"I'm sorry, gentlemen," Fiorino said. "If I'm under arrest, I have nothing left to say."

"F------ a------, shut the f--- up!" the cop hollered.

The cops discovered his recorder as they searched his pockets, and unleashed another string of expletives.

Fiorino said he sat handcuffed in a police wagon while the officers made numerous phone calls to supervisors, trying to find out if they could lock him up.

When they learned that they were in the wrong, they let him go.

But only temporarily. Fiorino posted the audio recordings on youtube, and now they are harassing him again:

A new investigation was launched, and last month the District Attorney's Office decided to charge Fiorino with reckless endangerment and disorderly conduct because, a spokeswoman said, he refused to cooperate with police... He's scheduled for trial in July.

If one listens to the audiotapes, it's hard to imagine how a reasonable person could charge Fiorino (and not the cops) for disorderly conduct.

c41006 · 05-16-2011, 08:03 PM

Does not surprise me. Police often do not know what the laws are regarding citizens and the carry of firearms

Robert_K · 05-16-2011, 08:16 PM

c41006 · 05-16-2011, 08:21 PM

Good lord

Red__Zed · 05-16-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Philly Police Harass, Threaten to Shoot Man Legally Carrying Gun - Stossel's Take Blog - FOXBusiness.com

Robert_K · 05-16-2011, 08:36 PM

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Good lord

33+1 of 9mm.

They make one for .40S&W also now. However I think its 22 or 23+1.

Florida_GATOR · 05-16-2011, 08:37 PM

Just a fraction of what was shot that day:

My baby:

My inventory:

c41006 · 05-16-2011, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_K

33+1 of 9mm.

They make one for .40S&W also now. However I think its 22 or 23+1.

Ya I have a G23 I need to look into that

MacCool · 05-16-2011, 08:42 PM

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Does not surprise me. Police often do not know what the laws are regarding citizens and the carry of firearms

Absolutely true. And the internet is loaded with videos and audios of police abuse of people legally carrying firearms.

The old "disorderly conduct" or "disturbing the peace" charges are always a last-ditch option for cops and prosecutors who find out that they can't charge or prosecute for a firearms violation.

And that's assuming that you don't get shot instead. The sad truth is that most people carrying firearms are in more danger of getting shot/killed by the police than by the criminals they are arming themselves against.

Robert_K · 05-16-2011, 08:43 PM

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Ya I have a G23 I need to look into that

Placing my order now with some extra stuff.

22 Round .40 GLOCK Factory Magazine-www.glockmeister.com

c41006 · 05-16-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

Absolutely true. And the internet is loaded with videos and audios of police abuse of people legally carrying firearms.

yup I have spent plenty of time on youtube watching them

MacCool · 05-16-2011, 08:50 PM

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Heh...here's the full-auto version. Even with the grip and stock the thing is a PITA to shoot, almost impossible to shoot accurately. Good for suppression in a small room only.

Robert_K · 05-16-2011, 08:58 PM

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Heh...here's the full-auto version. Even with the grip and stock the thing is a PITA to shoot, almost impossible to shoot accurately. Good for suppression in a small room only.

Yeah I've seen YouTube vids of the G18.

Seen the one with the dual drum mag?

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