Anyone here into firearms?

Isamu · 03-18-2011, 09:34 AM

I found this EXTREMELY interesting...

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On April 16, 2010, governor Jan Brewer signed into law a bill that legalizes the carrying of concealed firearms and other weapons in most places without a permit for adults over 21 years of age. Arizona will still issue concealed carry permits for purposes of reciprocity for carrying concealed weapons in other states and permits will still be required for carrying in certain sensitive areas within Arizona such as in bars or on school grounds. Open carry without a permit will still be legal in most places for 18-20 year-olds, and for emancipated juveniles. This law took effect July 29, 2010. Arizona is only the third state in modern U.S. history (after Vermont and Alaska) to allow the carrying of concealed weapons without a permit, and it is the first state with a large urban population to do so

haggomyeggo · 03-18-2011, 09:57 AM

The unloaded thing in IL is kinda bunk. They make these little fanny pac looking things that hold a clip and a gun that you can load the clip easily to get around the law but i think those are just kinda dumb.

I support a right to carry but if the argument is deterrence then why conceal the gun. Why not carry it in a western style holster or tactical leg holster to let the criminals know you have a gun. If you conceal it they dont know who has one or not but If they know for sure I have a gun and they are unsure about someone else then wouldnt the criminal go after the person who they didnt know for sure if they had a gun or not.

I know carrying like its the wild west has several bad drawbacks so im only half serious the other half I am attempting to be funny but really I would like to see a C&C law in IL or at least where i can keep a loaded weapon in the car

m4a1mustang · 03-18-2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by haggomyeggo

The unloaded thing in IL is kinda bunk. They make these little fanny pac looking things that hold a clip and a gun that you can load the clip easily to get around the law but i think those are just kinda dumb.

I support a right to carry but if the argument is deterrence then why conceal the gun. Why not carry it in a western style holster or tactical leg holster to let the criminals know you have a gun. If you conceal it they dont know who has one or not but If they know for sure I have a gun and they are unsure about someone else then wouldnt the criminal go after the person who they didnt know for sure if they had a gun or not.

I know carrying like its the wild west has several bad drawbacks so im only half serious the other half I am attempting to be funny but really I would like to see a C&C law in IL or at least where i can keep a loaded weapon in the car

There's a BIG debate about OC vs. CC.

I think the general thought to CC is the criminals never know who has a gun. Some pro-CC people say OC makes you more of a target.

You could also argue that in liberal areas OC could get you into trouble (man with a gun 911 calls, etc). With CC at least you know that you have something if the SHTF and no one else needs to know so all the sheep can stay nice and happy.

I would OC everyday if more people did it and I knew it wouldn't cause a stir.

haggomyeggo · 03-18-2011, 10:20 AM

These are all reasons I am looking for Federal agency jobs. You can OC anyway, anywhere. Except the White House......

Too bad these jobs are very hard to find......

m4a1mustang · 03-18-2011, 12:51 PM

I don't know, it just seems like more trouble than it's worth. And to me that seems more like if you are just driving through the state, not, say, driving up to Columbia for the Z meet.

Red__Zed · 03-18-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I don't know, it just seems like more trouble than it's worth. And to me that seems more like if you are just driving through the state, not, say, driving up to Columbia for the Z meet.

They have a similar write up for other transportation through the state. I agree that it's smart to play it safe though.

Isamu · 03-18-2011, 01:36 PM

that defeats the purpose of having the weapon tho.. if the shtf , what are you gonna do, yell at the bad guy, "Hey, excuse me, Mr bad guy, can i get a second, while i load my fire arm..."

m4a1mustang · 03-18-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

that defeats the purpose of having the weapon tho.. if the shtf , what are you gonna do, yell at the bad guy, "Hey, excuse me, Mr bad guy, can i get a second, while i load my fire arm..."

"Sure! Take your time. I'll go get a cup of coffee at the Starbucks while I wait. Would you care for a frappuccino?"

Isamu · 03-18-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

"Sure! Take your time. I'll go get a cup of coffee at the Starbucks while I wait. Would you care for a frappuccino?"

as the criminal is running down the street to starbucks, "Don't forget the extra whip creeeeeaaaam!!!!!"

Red__Zed · 03-18-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

that defeats the purpose of having the weapon tho.. if the shtf , what are you gonna do, yell at the bad guy, "Hey, excuse me, Mr bad guy, can i get a second, while i load my fire arm..."

At least you can have it in your car, rather than driving home though.

Isamu · 03-18-2011, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

At least you can have it in your car, rather than driving home though.

ok, so check this out.. ND is open carry, EXCEPT in the city I live in..

m4a1mustang · 03-18-2011, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

ok, so check this out.. ND is open carry, EXCEPT in the city I live in..

That's silly. Virginia Code says that no city can pass ordinance that would overrule state law regarding carry.

Anyways, I stopped by the gun store today and among other things picked up a Pearce +2 mag extension to try. It's nice in that I can get a full grip on the gun with the extension, but it's really only a +1. No way to get 2 in there.

Red__Zed · 03-18-2011, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

That's silly. Virginia Code says that no city can pass ordinance that would overrule state law regarding carry.

I love that about VA. Don't have to check the rules of every place you go.

Isamu · 03-19-2011, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

That's silly. Virginia Code says that no city can pass ordinance that would overrule state law regarding carry.

Anyways, I stopped by the gun store today and among other things picked up a Pearce +2 mag extension to try. It's nice in that I can get a full grip on the gun with the extension, but it's really only a +1. No way to get 2 in there.

how big are your hands?

SmoothZ · 03-19-2011, 09:33 AM

Weather here is getting just a little bit better for some outdoor shooting. Can't wait!

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	I don't know, it just seems like more trouble than it's worth. And to me that seems more like if you are just driving through the state, not, say, driving up to Columbia for the Z meet. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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SmoothZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Arrakis Posts: 7,952 Drives: giant sandworm Rep Power: 36	Weather here is getting just a little bit better for some outdoor shooting. Can't wait! __________________ "Once you go Asian, you never go Caucasian." "I talk to myself, and when I do that, I know I'm talking to an intelligent person."

03-18-2011, 09:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
haggomyeggo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: IL Posts: 1,723 Drives: Steves old cars Rep Power: 18	The unloaded thing in IL is kinda bunk. They make these little fanny pac looking things that hold a clip and a gun that you can load the clip easily to get around the law but i think those are just kinda dumb. I support a right to carry but if the argument is deterrence then why conceal the gun. Why not carry it in a western style holster or tactical leg holster to let the criminals know you have a gun. If you conceal it they dont know who has one or not but If they know for sure I have a gun and they are unsure about someone else then wouldnt the criminal go after the person who they didnt know for sure if they had a gun or not. I know carrying like its the wild west has several bad drawbacks so im only half serious the other half I am attempting to be funny but really I would like to see a C&C law in IL or at least where i can keep a loaded weapon in the car

03-18-2011, 10:20 AM	#4 (permalink)
haggomyeggo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: IL Posts: 1,723 Drives: Steves old cars Rep Power: 18	These are all reasons I am looking for Federal agency jobs. You can OC anyway, anywhere. Except the White House...... Too bad these jobs are very hard to find......