Anyone here into firearms?

tvfreakazoid

Damn you! I wish we could get the xdM here in cali. God can someone do something about the damn gun laws here in cali. It sucks.
Do you know if there going to make a xdm 45?

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vash_241987

Yeah the xdm .45 will use the same mags as the xd .45, same capacity of 13+1

C4talyst

Heh, I should've thrown in a blurb about why handguns should be outlawed as well, without really giving a valid or thought-out reason. I'm a pretty open-minded person when discussing gun control with my liberal friends (yeh, I have liberal friends) but I have yet to encounter an intelligent or thought-out argument.

Togo

Damn hippie liberals!!!


hahahah

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This will decimate all after you put about fifteen grand in it or more, and if we have to, overnight parts from Japan.

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bullitt5897

Hahaha them damn hippies!!! That's why I roll with my AR!!! Keep them drum carrying hippies out of my yard! Hehehe

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Togo

Yeah that AR will also keep all the Jehovah Witnesses off your front yard too..

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This will decimate all after you put about fifteen grand in it or more, and if we have to, overnight parts from Japan.

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bullitt5897

Lmao!!!

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tvfreakazoid

Although i'm a non-partisan, I do lean more toward liberalism. But I like me guns though

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370Zsteve

This is cool! I've collected antiques for years, and I had an old Springfield!

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SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.

grahfz

lolololol, I ride with my kimber ultra carry, my AR pistol (it rides GREAT up front), and my garand in the hatch.

vash_241987

Finally finished it, I think I shorten my life span by stressing out on the reassembly

dad

Read this as a gun issue, not a illegal immigrant issue
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Calderon blasts Arizona immigration law, seeks assault weapons ban

Washington (CNN) -- Mexican President Felipe Calderon addressed two of America's most contentious political issues during a speech to the U.S. Congress Thursday, asking for a return of the assault weapons ban and blasting Arizona's controversial new immigration law as a "terrible" endorsement of racial profiling.

Calderon also reminded Americans of their role in the recent eruption of drug-fueled violence along the U.S.-Mexican border, noting the high demand for illegal drugs in the United States. At the same time, he highlighted a series of economic reforms undertaken by his administration, arguing that they are helping to position Mexico for a period of greater growth and social stability.

"Mexico and the United States are stronger together than they are apart," he told a joint meeting of Congress. "Our economic ties have made both economies stronger. ... A stronger Mexico means a stronger United States."

Calderon is the second Mexican head of state to address Congress in the past decade, following President Vicente Fox in 2001. His appearance came on the heels of Wednesday's high-profile meeting and state dinner with President Obama at the White House.

The contentious issue of Arizona's immigration law has been a key issue for Calderon during his U.S. visit. The measure, which will allow law enforcement officers to ask for proof of legal residency of anyone who is being investigated for a crime or a possible legal infraction, has drawn widespread criticism in Mexico.

"I strongly disagree" with the measure, Calderon told members of the House and Senate. "It is a law that not only ignores a reality that cannot be erased by decree," but also introduces the "terrible idea" that racial profiling is acceptable.

Calderon also had a message for undocumented Mexican migrants currently in the United States: "I want to say to the migrants -- all those who are working really hard for this great country -- that we admire them, we miss them, [and] we are working hard for their rights ... [and] for their families," he said.

Calderon pointed out that Mexico has created more than 400,000 jobs so far in 2010 -- the highest, he claimed, ever generated in a four-month period in his country. He said he is hopeful that an aggressive economic reform agenda -- including pension reform and greater infrastructure investment -- would eventually persuade more Mexicans to pursue opportunities closer to home.




"I'm not a president who likes to see Mexicans leave our country, leaving for opportunities abroad," he said. "Mexico will one day be a country where our people will find the opportunities that today they look for outside of the country."

Until then, he said, it is the responsibility of both the American and the Mexican governments to repair a "broken, inefficient" immigration system. He called on Congress to pass a comprehensive immigration reform law, arguing that it is a crucial component of a more secure border.

Turning to the explosion of drug-related violence, the Mexican leader asserted that his government is working to "firmly establish the rule of law." It is deploying "the full force of the state" against organized crime, he declared.

"Restoring public security will not be easy and will not be quick. It will take time ... [and] will take human lives as well," he said. But this is "a battle that has to be fought." Drug violence claimed 6,500 lives in Mexico last year. Officials say that roughly 90 percent of the cocaine smuggled into the United States moves through Mexico, which is also a gateway for marijuana and other illegal drugs.

Calderon pointed out that the challenge to Mexican security has "roots on both sides of the border." He cited the high rates of consumption of illegal drugs in the United States, and praised the Obama administration for its recent initiative to lower demand.

He also urged Congress to re-impose the assault weapons ban, asserting that violence in Mexico spiked after the ban was lifted in 2004. Mexican authorities in recent years have seized 45,000 weapons that could be traced to the United States, he said, and there are now roughly 7,000 gun shops along the U.S. border with Mexico where assault weapons can be easily acquired.

Saying he respects the U.S. Constitution and understands "the purpose of the Second Amendment," he added, "believe me -- many of these guns are not going to honest American hands."

"Today these weapons are aimed by the criminals ... at Mexican civilians and authorities," he said. "With all due respect, if you do not regulate the sale of these weapons in the right way," American authorities and civilians may be soon face a similar challenge.

Calderon blasts Arizona immigration law, seeks assault weapons ban - CNN.com

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US rifles not suited to warfare in Afghan hills


KABUL, Afghanistan — The U.S. military's workhorse rifle — used in battle for the last 40 years — is proving less effective in Afghanistan against the Taliban's more primitive but longer range weapons.

As a result, the U.S. is reevaluating the performance of its standard M-4 rifle and considering a switch to weapons that fire a larger round largely discarded in the 1960s.

The M-4 is an updated version of the M-16, which was designed for close quarters combat in Vietnam. It worked well in Iraq, where much of the fighting was in cities such as Baghdad, Ramadi and Fallujah.

But a U.S. Army study found that the 5.56 mm bullets fired from M-4s don't retain enough velocity at distances greater than 1,000 feet (300 meters) to kill an adversary. In hilly regions of Afghanistan, NATO and insurgent forces are often 2,000 to 2,500 feet (600-800 meters) apart.

Afghans have a tradition of long-range ambushes against foreign forces. During the 1832-1842 British-Afghan war, the British found that their Brown Bess muskets could not reach insurgent sharpshooters firing higher-caliber Jezzail flintlocks.

Soviet soldiers in the 1980s found that their AK-47 rifles could not match the World War II-era bolt-action Lee-Enfield and Mauser rifles used by mujahedeen rebels.

"These are important considerations in Afghanistan, where NATO forces are frequently attacked by insurgents using ... sharpshooter's rifles, which are all chambered for a full-powered cartridge which dates back to the 1890s," said Paul Cornish, curator of firearms at the Imperial War Museum in London.

The heavier bullets enable Taliban militants to shoot at U.S. and NATO soldiers from positions well beyond the effective range of the coalition's rifles.

To counter these tactics, the U.S. military is designating nine soldiers in each infantry company to serve as sharpshooters, according to Maj. Thomas Ehrhart, who wrote the Army study. They are equipped with the new M-110 sniper rifle, which fires a larger 7.62 mm round and is accurate to at least 2,500 feet (800 meters).

At the heart of the debate is whether a soldier is better off with the more-rapid firepower of the 5.56mm bullets or with the longer range of the 7.62 mm bullets.

"The reason we employ the M-4 is because it's a close-in weapon, since we anticipate house-to-house fighting in many situations," said Lt. Col. Denis J. Riel, a NATO spokesman.

He added that each squad also has light machine guns and automatic grenade launchers for the long-range engagements common in Afghanistan.

In the early years of the Vietnam War, the Army's standard rifle was the M-14, which fired a 7.62 mm bullet. The gun had too much recoil to be controllable during automatic firing and was considered too unwieldily for close-quarter jungle warfare. The M-16 replaced it in the mid-1960s.

Lighter bullets also meant soldiers could carry more ammunition on lengthy jungle patrols.

The M-16 started a general trend toward smaller cartridges. Other weapons such as the French FAMAS and the British L85A1 adopted them, and the round became standardized as the "5.56mm NATO."

The Soviet Union, whose AK-47 already used a shorter 7.62 mm bullet that was less powerful but more controllable, created a smaller 5.45mm round for its replacement AK-74s.

"The 5.56 mm caliber is more lethal since it can put more rounds on target," said Col. Douglas Tamilio, program manager for U.S. Army firearms at the Picatinny Arsenal in New Jersey. "But at 500-600 meters (1,600-2,000 feet), the round doesn't have stopping power, since the weapon system was never designed for that."

The arsenal, which is the Army's center for small-arms development, is trying to find a solution.

A possible compromise would be an interim-caliber round combining the best characteristics of the 5.56mm and 7.62mm cartridges, Tamilio said.

The challenge is compounded by the fact that in flat areas of Afghanistan, most firefights take place at shorter ranges of up to 1,000 feet (300 meters), where the M-4 performs well.

U.S. soldiers in militant-infested Zhari district in southern Afghanistan's Kandahar province said they haven't experienced problems with the range of their M-4 rifles.

Lt. Scott Doyle, a platoon commander in Zhari, said his troops are usually facing Taliban AK-47s.

"When the Taliban get past 300 meters (1,000 feet) with an AK-47, they are just spraying and praying," he said.

Martin Fackler, a ballistics expert, also defended the 5.56 mm round, blaming the M-4s inadequate performance on its short barrel, which makes it easier for soldiers to scramble out of modern armored vehicles.

"Unfortunately weapon engineers shortened the M-16's barrel to irrational lengths," Fackler said. "It was meant for a 20-inch barrel. What they've done by cutting the barrel to 14.5 inches is that they've lost a lot of velocity."

The Associated Press: US rifles not suited to warfare in Afghan hills

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bullitt5897

if they would simply switch to the 6.8spc cartridge we wouldnt be having the problems at 600-800 meters!

I for one can attest that shooting a target at 6-800 meters with a 5.56 is rediculous as the round cannot maintain the needed flight path to even be accurate. Any wind will blow that light of a round way off target. I personally went to the 6.8spc for the knock down power and boy am I glad! I can accurately hit a 6" manikin head at 700meters and I have video proof. I am sub MOA even at distances of 500 meters on a 16" barrel!!! For an AR that is fantastic! I am slowly building my 6.8 AR into an all purpose weapon and now that Barnes and a few other companies are making 85 & 95 grain bullets I can get even more accurate and a little more distance out of my AR. Currently, I am running 115 grain FMJ from Silver State Armory and they are good but I am looking for that extra edge! next toy has definitely got to be a reloading press...

back on topic the 5.56 bullet can hit a target and make good penetration at those distances but the problem lies in what happens when the bullet penetrates the body. What you will find out is that under 200M it takes the 5.56 round too long to expand and practically would leave a small hole all the way through the body with a large exit wound if i remember correctly. at around 200M you get ideal expansion within the body cavity with consistent fragmentation. Distances at 300M and beyond the round is traveling too slow and has 0 fragmentation once it enters the body often leaving the target alive and very pissed off!!! This has been in many reports coming from the field in Iraq and in Afghan.

On a side note I got several Shemagh's in the other day and I must say they work very well! for those who don't know what I am referring too here is a pic:

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Pushing_Tin

So why would one build an AR versus just buying one that is complete? I have no experience with them and have recently contemplated buying one.