Anyone here into firearms?

bunk · 07-01-2021, 10:17 PM

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I need dust off my bow. I was really into archery years ago to the point I was thinking about doing some amateur indoor archery competitions. Even have a fancy competition bow too. One day I just stopped. Not sure why.

What are you shooting?

Feel free to talk my ear off about archery!

One of biggest things about archery, especially compound bows, is regardless of what you're are shooting a $2k or $200 setup get it adjusted to you. A properly adjusted bow makes all the difference. Properly adjusted bow gets you in the ball park, technique and practice get you the rest of the way. It's hard to get your technique down with an out of wack compound bow.

My first bow was a Sport Authority special and even after taking it to a "Pro Shop" to have it adjusted couldn't get consistent groupings or even consistently hit the target. After that I had to go back to my duty station (I was in the Navy at the time) in SC. Found a archery range near where I was that off the beaten path a little. The place was full of good old boy bow hunters. One literally said after I shot my first arrow "Who da **** adjusted that bow?!?". I am sooo grateful for that range/shop. They got my bow dialed in, then dialed me in.

I had pick up some bad habits from the badly adjusted bow. I went from completely missing the target some of the time to 6 inch groups in one afternoon. A even with that POS SA bow after awhile I had to be careful how many arrows I put into one target because I was shooting the nocks out of my arrows. Never Robin Hooded an arrow but I got close. With my competition bow I only put one arrow in each target. That sucker is very accurate and consistent.

Completely agree on the setup/tuning!! Ive been watching alot of Youtube videos on proper form and have learned ALOT. Been practicing my form (dialed down the draw weight and using a release with my finger off the release trigger) and establishing my anchor points.

I picked up a PSE Stinger Max. I havent gotten it tuned yet and I still need to learn how to adjust the sights. I took it out the other day though and I was shooting pretty good groups - to me anyway. 8 arrows in a 4" grouping at about 20 yards, but was high and right. I think I need the peep sight moved or something because I cant seem to line it up properly to the sight ring

Id also like to shoot a recurve bow someday. Maybe let the gf have the compound or recurve, which ever shes comfortable with. Great cheap way to spend a day!

VABAM · 07-02-2021, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bunk

Completely agree on the setup/tuning!! Ive been watching alot of Youtube videos on proper form and have learned ALOT. Been practicing my form (dialed down the draw weight and using a release with my finger off the release trigger) and establishing my anchor points.

I picked up a PSE Stinger Max. I havent gotten it tuned yet and I still need to learn how to adjust the sights. I took it out the other day though and I was shooting pretty good groups - to me anyway. 8 arrows in a 4" grouping at about 20 yards, but was high and right. I think I need the peep sight moved or something because I cant seem to line it up properly to the sight ring

Id also like to shoot a recurve bow someday. Maybe let the gf have the compound or recurve, which ever shes comfortable with. Great cheap way to spend a day!

Looks like you are off to a good start. Having a consistent, repeatable, and comfortable anchor is important. Sights/sight picture should be adjusted to your anchor not the other way around. That was one of my big issues with my first bow. I was adjusting my anchor to my sight picture. It caused me to have an uncomfortable anchor which in turn caused my anchor to be inconsistent and unrepeatable. One thing to try, close your eyes the moment before you establish your anchor. Establish your anchor then open your eyes and see if your sights are lined up. Doing that should point out any major issues with you peep/sights. If you do have an issue with your sights get them fixed right away so you can learn and maintain a good anchor.

WRT to you hitting high and right, a number of things can cause that. As a beginner, the most likely user induced causes is torquing the grip, pushing or pulling the bow with you bow hand/arm etc. while the arrow is accelerating before it leaves the bow. Basically it's like flinching when firing a pistol. With a compound bow this is exaggerated due to the relatively slow initial acceleration of the arrow because of the let off that compound bows have. It's like turbo lag on a car. As a beginner, especially coming from shooting guns, it can feel a little strange not having a firm grip on your bow. TBH if the bow doesn't feel like it might fall out of you hand after you release the arrow you probably are gripping it too firm.

BTW I have a whole bunch of articles written by John Dudley in the late 2000s about various archery techniques and tips in PDF form. Let me know if you would like a copy of them. YouTube can be a great source of information but sometimes it's nice to have an offline article to read rather than stream a video.

PSE makes some good stuff. It's one of the companies I'd consider if I was in the market for a new bow. Recurve bows are fun, I've shot a few over the years. Back when I was really interested in archery I was looking at getting a takedown recurve and try my hand a traditional archery. Regardless of which type of bow you get for your GF make sure it is something that is well suited to her size. Bows are more personal than guns especially compound bows. An ill fitted bow can really discourage a beginner.

I still have the SA special, somewhere. I think it is a Golden Eagle. I dug out my fancy bow earlier today. It's a Hoyt Alpha Elite with all the bells and whistles. Now that I pulled it out I guess I should put some arrows through it.

I have a Rhino Block floating around here some where I guess I better go find it.

bunk · 07-04-2021, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by VABAM

Looks like you are off to a good start. Having a consistent, repeatable, and comfortable anchor is important. Sights/sight picture should be adjusted to your anchor not the other way around. That was one of my big issues with my first bow. I was adjusting my anchor to my sight picture. It caused me to have an uncomfortable anchor which in turn caused my anchor to be inconsistent and unrepeatable. One thing to try, close your eyes the moment before you establish your anchor. Establish your anchor then open your eyes and see if your sights are lined up. Doing that should point out any major issues with you peep/sights. If you do have an issue with your sights get them fixed right away so you can learn and maintain a good anchor.

WRT to you hitting high and right, a number of things can cause that. As a beginner, the most likely user induced causes is torquing the grip, pushing or pulling the bow with you bow hand/arm etc. while the arrow is accelerating before it leaves the bow. Basically it's like flinching when firing a pistol. With a compound bow this is exaggerated due to the relatively slow initial acceleration of the arrow because of the let off that compound bows have. It's like turbo lag on a car. As a beginner, especially coming from shooting guns, it can feel a little strange not having a firm grip on your bow. TBH if the bow doesn't feel like it might fall out of you hand after you release the arrow you probably are gripping it too firm.

BTW I have a whole bunch of articles written by John Dudley in the late 2000s about various archery techniques and tips in PDF form. Let me know if you would like a copy of them. YouTube can be a great source of information but sometimes it's nice to have an offline article to read rather than stream a video.

PSE makes some good stuff. It's one of the companies I'd consider if I was in the market for a new bow. Recurve bows are fun, I've shot a few over the years. Back when I was really interested in archery I was looking at getting a takedown recurve and try my hand a traditional archery. Regardless of which type of bow you get for your GF make sure it is something that is well suited to her size. Bows are more personal than guns especially compound bows. An ill fitted bow can really discourage a beginner.

I still have the SA special, somewhere. I think it is a Golden Eagle. I dug out my fancy bow earlier today. It's a Hoyt Alpha Elite with all the bells and whistles. Now that I pulled it out I guess I should put some arrows through it.

I have a Rhino Block floating around here some where I guess I better go find it.

The more Im learning, the more variables I find that affects accuracy. Its like a high performance car. Not only does the driver need to know how to handle the car, but the car needs to be fine tuned to perfection for the driver, engine, suspension transmission, tires, etc... Go from a compound to a recurve... a whole different animal...lol

So far, Im extremely happy with the the PSE. I did some research before jumping in, and it seems to be a great bow if youre a beginner or a seasoned hunter.

I need to invest in a real archery target. I bought some paper targets and realized how useless they are after a few arrows..

Ghostvette · 07-02-2021, 01:32 PM

It took me a minute to figure out what was meant by 'anchor', but when VABAM said 'close your eyes, establish your anchor, then open your eyes', that told me that 'anchor' was what we called 'natural point of aim' in the rifle world. Natural point of aim is critical in any shooting sport, regardless of if it's rifle, pistol, shotgun or archery.

PS... I can't shoot a bow for beans.....

VABAM · 07-02-2021, 07:43 PM

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It took me a minute to figure out what was meant by 'anchor', but when VABAM said 'close your eyes, establish your anchor, then open your eyes', that told me that 'anchor' was what we called 'natural point of aim' in the rifle world. Natural point of aim is critical in any shooting sport, regardless of if it's rifle, pistol, shotgun or archery.

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I was trying to avoid saying anchor point, singular, because you have multiple points making up the total anchor “point”. I was trying not to imply that you should be looking for a singular point.

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PS... I can't shoot a bow for beans.....

That’s why they make crossbows.

JARblue · 07-02-2021, 02:01 PM

I haven't shot a bow in years. I used to teach archery to the younger kids at camp when I was 14-16. One of the bows was an Indian recurve with a 60 lb draw; most of the kids couldn't even draw it. When the range was slow, I would take it out to 60+ yds to practice. Biggest challenge was the tree limbs and leaves in the trajectory path since we were in the woods (range was cleared out about 30 yds).

VABAM · 07-05-2021, 11:02 PM

Scott is back!
Sooooo much carnage!

VABAM · 07-13-2021, 12:09 PM

It's awesome to see Scott shoot a 50 BMG.

No one would have faulted him for taking a long break from shooting 50 BMG or stop shooting 50 BMG entirely.

VABAM · 07-13-2021, 07:01 PM

What do you guys think of that lego themed Glock 19 aka “The Block 19”. Personally I don’t have any issue with it. I like the fact that it is triggering all sorts of people.

Rusty · 07-13-2021, 07:14 PM

Love it!

Ghostvette · 07-14-2021, 07:56 AM

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Love it!

VABAM · 07-14-2021, 09:15 AM

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Love it!

The more people I see get upset over this, the more I want it.

The arguments against it are asinine. Like this one: "It will attract children and cause more children accidentally shooting them selves". Children will always be attracted to guns. Usually due to it being the "forbidden fruit" and parents not properly educating their kids on gun safety. Never underestimate the curiosity of children. Even the most well behaved kids will have "Uuuu shiny!" moments.

Warrior Poet Society put out a good video on this. I don't have kids but I have young nephews and nieces. The video made me think a little bit and even though I was already safe with my guns around them I changed a few things just because kids can be unpredictable.

bunk · 07-14-2021, 08:50 AM

Going through my brothers stuff at my moms. Found a few thousand .223 rounds that I loaded and gave my brother a few years ago. And 10 boxes of .45. Yeah!!

Ghostvette · 07-14-2021, 09:14 AM

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Going through my brothers stuff at my moms. Found a few thousand .223 rounds that I loaded and gave my brother a few years ago. And 10 boxes of .45. Yeah!!

SCORE!!!!!!

On second thought, I wouldn't speak to loudly about that... you do live in Kommifornia where it is a felony to acquire ammunition without going through an FFL & a background check...

VABAM · 07-14-2021, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bunk

Going through my brothers stuff at my moms. Found a few thousand .223 rounds that I loaded and gave my brother a few years ago. And 10 boxes of .45. Yeah!!

Finding ammo is always fun. Found 500 rounds of 300BLK last year that my dad made for me. Didn't ask him to do it. He said he was bored during the winter months.

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SCORE!!!!!!

On second thought, I wouldn't speak to loudly about that... you do live in Kommifornia where it is a felony to acquire ammunition without going through an FFL & a background check...

07-02-2021, 01:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ghostvette A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Shawnee KS Posts: 5,698 Drives: 15 Magma Red 6MT Rep Power: 2684377	It took me a minute to figure out what was meant by 'anchor', but when VABAM said 'close your eyes, establish your anchor, then open your eyes', that told me that 'anchor' was what we called 'natural point of aim' in the rifle world. Natural point of aim is critical in any shooting sport, regardless of if it's rifle, pistol, shotgun or archery. PS... I can't shoot a bow for beans..... __________________ 2015 Magma Red 6MT Sport Tech/2012 Fairlady MB 6MT Base (RIP 08032018)https://www.nicoclub.com/FSM/370Z/Coupe/

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JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 44 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684441	I haven't shot a bow in years. I used to teach archery to the younger kids at camp when I was 14-16. One of the bows was an Indian recurve with a 60 lb draw; most of the kids couldn't even draw it. When the range was slow, I would take it out to 60+ yds to practice. Biggest challenge was the tree limbs and leaves in the trajectory path since we were in the woods (range was cleared out about 30 yds). __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

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VABAM A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: No Where VA Posts: 4,003 Drives: with VDC off. Rep Power: 196	Scott is back! Sooooo much carnage! __________________ 2009 370Z Touring W/SP

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VABAM A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: No Where VA Posts: 4,003 Drives: with VDC off. Rep Power: 196	It's awesome to see Scott shoot a 50 BMG. No one would have faulted him for taking a long break from shooting 50 BMG or stop shooting 50 BMG entirely. __________________ 2009 370Z Touring W/SP

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bunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Southern California Posts: 4,077 Drives: 2010 370z Roadster Rep Power: 2684370	Going through my brothers stuff at my moms. Found a few thousand .223 rounds that I loaded and gave my brother a few years ago. And 10 boxes of .45. Yeah!! __________________ -Drop in K&N Filter -Invidia Gemini CBE -Z1 Oil Cooler -Swift Springs - EcuTek -Forgestar F14 -SPL Camber Links -Akebono BBK Upgrade -Z1 Premium SS Lines -SPL Diff Bushings -SPL FUCAs - BellRaceworks Diff Brace