Anyone here into firearms?

ImportConvert · 11-17-2015, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

Any hollow point. I usually shoot them into a pool to see how they fragment (I'm dead serious)

Water as actually a very harsh test. If a JHP is going to over-expand and lose integrity due to it, water will expose it.

SouthArk370Z · 10-09-2015, 10:12 PM

For home defense, I use hollow points. If I were going to carry in public, I'd probably go with something frangible.

Rusty · 10-09-2015, 11:06 PM

The first 3 rounds, Glaser Safety Slugs. The rest of the mag is Critical Defense.

Glaser Blue Safety Slug Ammo 40 S&W 115 Grain Safety Slug Package of

Hornady Critical Defense Ammo 40 S&W 165 Grain Flex Tip eXpanding Box

Ghostvette · 10-12-2015, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneZ

Hey gun packin' friends. What is your daily carry ammo of choice?

I generally use Hornady Critical Duty +p 135 gr.

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Originally Posted by firulice

Same for me that's a good round. I either carry those or my own hornady reloads

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Originally Posted by Rusty

The first 3 rounds, Glaser Safety Slugs. The rest of the mag is Critical Defense.

Glaser Blue Safety Slug Ammo 40 S&W 115 Grain Safety Slug Package of

Hornady Critical Defense Ammo 40 S&W 165 Grain Flex Tip eXpanding Box

All good except maybe firulice's Hornady reloads. From a legal perspective, you always want to carry 'factory' ammo, never reloads. The experts (Ayoob and others) recommend it, because you don't want to give a defense attorney any 'ammo' (sorry for the pun) to challenge a legal shoot. If you use reloads, he can claim you were looking for a fight and loaded ammo to 'maim' his client.

BoneZ · 10-12-2015, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette

All good except maybe firulice's Hornady reloads. From a legal perspective, you always want to carry 'factory' ammo, never reloads. The experts (Ayoob and others) recommend it, because you don't want to give a defense attorney any 'ammo' (sorry for the pun) to challenge a legal shoot. If you use reloads, he can claim you were looking for a fight and loaded ammo to 'maim' his client.

Very true.

firulice · 10-12-2015, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette

All good except maybe firulice's Hornady reloads. From a legal perspective, you always want to carry 'factory' ammo, never reloads. The experts (Ayoob and others) recommend it, because you don't want to give a defense attorney any 'ammo' (sorry for the pun) to challenge a legal shoot. If you use reloads, he can claim you were looking for a fight and loaded ammo to 'maim' his client.

Wow never thought of that. Better to be prudent in this liability world we live in I guess. Thanks for the thought

VABAM · 10-11-2015, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneZ

Hey gun packin' friends. What is your daily carry ammo of choice?

I generally use Hornady Critical Duty +p 135 gr.

Hornady Critical Duty 45 ACP 220gr +P for me.

synolimit · 10-11-2015, 06:55 PM

i finally got out to shoot the new powder for my Hornady 75gr's. If you remember I was using a powder not recommended but Accurate or Hornady but one that others had tried with 69gr's and i was only getting around 2460ftps with a very compressed load deforming my tips.

I found out RL 15 would work ok. So I loaded up low, medium and high charges per Hornadys 5.56 manual. But my speeds are way way under what they say. The max at 24.9gr should be 2850ftps. I'm only getting 2642ftps. I take it they don't use a 16" barrel then for the manuals and use a 20". I tested my 16" vs 10" and averaged 310ftps slower or 51ftps per inch. So 2642+204=2846 or almost dead on for 24.9gr per Hornady, way to go manual!

Anyways I started loading more powder to see if I could get more speed and watch for signs of over pressure. Was that bad? I got up to 25.5gr and again started to compress the load and deforme the tip a little Speeds got up to 2710 and the cases looked good after being shot but pretty flat primers though but no damage or hurt cases. I ran out of brass but shot 4 rounds at 25.5gr. First cold barrel shot was 3-4" left from shots 2 and 3 which were sub MOA on top of each other. Shot 4 was again 3" away but right of 2 and 3. After writing all this I'm answering my own question probably by saying the charges were to hot and probably wild and the deformed tip probably wasn't helping. Shots 2 and 3 might of just had more room in the case or less deforming making them good at 25.5gr and 2700ftps. So maybe I'll just stick with 24.9gr at 2642ftps with the 75gr bullet and redo the accuracy testing.

FYI every 0.4-0.5gr averaged about 60ftps for all the loads I tried out.

Rusty · 10-11-2015, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

i finally got out to shoot the new powder for my Hornady 75gr's. If you remember I was using a powder not recommended but Accurate or Hornady but one that others had tried with 69gr's and i was only getting around 2460ftps with a very compressed load deforming my tips.

I found out RL 15 would work ok. So I loaded up low, medium and high charges per Hornadys 5.56 manual. But my speeds are way way under what they say. The max at 24.9gr should be 2850ftps. I'm only getting 2642ftps. I take it they don't use a 16" barrel then for the manuals and use a 20". I tested my 16" vs 10" and averaged 310ftps slower or 51ftps per inch. So 2642+204=2846 or almost dead on for 24.9gr per Hornady, way to go manual!

Anyways I started loading more powder to see if I could get more speed and watch for signs of over pressure. Was that bad? I got up to 25.5gr and again started to compress the load and deforme the tip a little Speeds got up to 2710 and the cases looked good after being shot but pretty flat primers though but no damage or hurt cases. I ran out of brass but shot 4 rounds at 25.5gr. First cold barrel shot was 3-4" left from shots 2 and 3 which were sub MOA on top of each other. Shot 4 was again 3" away but right of 2 and 3. After writing all this I'm answering my own question probably by saying the charges were to hot and probably wild and the deformed tip probably wasn't helping. Shots 2 and 3 might of just had more room in the case or less deforming making them good at 25.5gr and 2700ftps. So maybe I'll just stick with 24.9gr at 2642ftps with the 75gr bullet and redo the accuracy testing.

FYI every 0.4-0.5gr averaged about 60ftps for all the loads I tried out.

3 powders you can try also. IMR4198, ARCOMP, and Ram Tac if you can find it. Alot of people like the Ram Tac, then the ARCOMP. IMR 4198 use to be the powder for .222, .223, and like size cases.

Are you using a chronograph? If so, which one? I never get what the manual says for velocity.

When you deform the tip of the bullet. Kiss your accuracy good by.

When you try for more velocity. And are starting to see over pressure signs. You will see the flatten primers. But what you don't see is inside the case. Look for a bright ring around the outside of the case, just above the case groove. If you see that. Your case is about to separate there. Also your case will grow in length. So keep an eye on case length. Watch for splits in the necks too. Because as the case grows in length. The neck will get thick, and work hardened.

urdeliveryguy · 10-12-2015, 10:23 PM

Finally got them on. Huge pain in the butt.

Rusty · 11-06-2015, 04:54 PM

Between my wife shooting alot, and my daughter picking up a 9mm. I had to cast more 125gr RN 9mm with gas check bullets. I did 2, 3 lbs coffee cans. That's about 4,000 per can.

Hopefully I'm set for awhile.

1st pic. One of the coffee cans.
2nd pic. Filing the base. Sometimes there is part of the spruce that needs filed down for a flat base.
3rd pic. Finished base.
4th pic. 50 of them ready for gas checks, sizing, and lube.
5th. Checking the hardness of the bullet. They are a little softer then what I like. Not enough tin in the mix. But I don't have any to begin with.

Rusty · 11-06-2015, 04:59 PM

More.

1st pic. 50 of them ready.
2nd pic. Gas check in the sizer.
3rd pic. Bullet in the sizer.
4th pic. Installing the gas check and lubing the bullet
5th pic. Finished bullet.

BoneZ · 11-06-2015, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

More.

1st pic. 50 of them ready.
2nd pic. Gas check in the sizer.
3rd pic. Bullet in the sizer.
4th pic. Installing the gas check and lubing the bullet
5th pic. Finished bullet.

I really need loads like that.

Kzonts · 11-15-2015, 08:35 AM

Added a second hand gun today. This will be my CC. M&P Shield 9mm :-)

BoneZ · 11-15-2015, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kzonts

Added a second hand gun today. This will be my CC. M&P Shield 9mm :-)

Nice weapon.

10-09-2015, 10:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
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10-11-2015, 06:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
synolimit A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 5,051 Drives: 2013 Silver 370z Rep Power: 3389	i finally got out to shoot the new powder for my Hornady 75gr's. If you remember I was using a powder not recommended but Accurate or Hornady but one that others had tried with 69gr's and i was only getting around 2460ftps with a very compressed load deforming my tips. I found out RL 15 would work ok. So I loaded up low, medium and high charges per Hornadys 5.56 manual. But my speeds are way way under what they say. The max at 24.9gr should be 2850ftps. I'm only getting 2642ftps. I take it they don't use a 16" barrel then for the manuals and use a 20". I tested my 16" vs 10" and averaged 310ftps slower or 51ftps per inch. So 2642+204=2846 or almost dead on for 24.9gr per Hornady, way to go manual! Anyways I started loading more powder to see if I could get more speed and watch for signs of over pressure. Was that bad? I got up to 25.5gr and again started to compress the load and deforme the tip a little Speeds got up to 2710 and the cases looked good after being shot but pretty flat primers though but no damage or hurt cases. I ran out of brass but shot 4 rounds at 25.5gr. First cold barrel shot was 3-4" left from shots 2 and 3 which were sub MOA on top of each other. Shot 4 was again 3" away but right of 2 and 3. After writing all this I'm answering my own question probably by saying the charges were to hot and probably wild and the deformed tip probably wasn't helping. Shots 2 and 3 might of just had more room in the case or less deforming making them good at 25.5gr and 2700ftps. So maybe I'll just stick with 24.9gr at 2642ftps with the 75gr bullet and redo the accuracy testing. FYI every 0.4-0.5gr averaged about 60ftps for all the loads I tried out. __________________ 13 370z-

10-12-2015, 10:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
urdeliveryguy Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: philadelphia / delco Posts: 278 Drives: 09' touring 6sp Rep Power: 14	Finally got them on. Huge pain in the butt. __________________ 09 370z #teammontereyblue / 12 fx35 / 08 g35x

11-15-2015, 08:35 AM	#14 (permalink)
Kzonts Track Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Greenville, SC Age: 61 Posts: 889 Drives: 2019 Roadster Rep Power: 200742	Added a second hand gun today. This will be my CC. M&P Shield 9mm :-)